Highest Self Podcast 496: Noticing Signs? The Science Behind Synchronicities and How It’s All Connected with Robert Grant


I have always been fascinated by synchronicities – those moments when you experience a coincidence that feels as though you are receiving a sacred sign from the universe.

This week’s Highest Self Podcast Episode with Robert Grant (you may recognize him from the Gaia show, Code X) is all about synchronicities and signs. Robert is a man of the mysteries who has discovered one of the biggest discoveries in ancient Egyptian mythology!

In today’s conversation, we are merging metaphysics, math, and science with spirituality to help you see how many of these things we talk about, such as synchronicities, are actually scientifically and mathematically proven. It’s incredible to see how math, music, spirituality, and science all go hand-in-hand – and on today’s episode, we are showing you HOW.

This is a great episode for anyone who may be a bit more skeptical or left-brained when it comes to fully believing certain spiritual topics. I highly recommend sharing with your friends or partner who love anything science-backed. This conversation shines a light on how interrelated the math, science, and spiritual realms are. You’ll probably want to listen to this episode more than once to receive all of Robert’s potent codes! Grab a pen + paper and enjoy!

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Episode #496: Noticing Signs? The Science Behind Synchronicities and How It’s All Connected with Robert Grant
By Sahara Rose

[00:00] Robert

Imagine there’s, sort of, like a veil between the conscious and the subconscious mind, and that veil is this veil of forgetfulness and there’s no way the past notes through that veil, or communicate through that veil. You have to learn the Morse code of communication between those two realms. And synchronicities are that Morse code.


[00:30] Sahara

Hi! I’m Sahara Rose and this is The Highest Self Podcast, a place where we discuss what makes you, your soul’s highest evolvement.

[00:38] Sahara

One thing I have been fascinated about my entire life, are synchronicities. So, these are when you experience these “coincidences”, but little signs that feel like the Universe is talking to you. So, maybe you notice different angel numbers, or you have a specific number that anywhere you go, you notice a license plate, or it’s on the clock, or it’s on someone’s shirt.

Or maybe, like myself, you just feel like you’re in constant conversation with the Universe.

[01:07] Sahara

So, I notice, for myself, often times when I’m writing and I’m listening to music, the lyrics will tell me exactly what I’m meant to write upon next, especially if I’m stuck on a word, it, like, gives me the words through the music.

[01:19] Sahara

Often times, I will have conversations with people that I, at that moment, don’t realize how significant they are until later. Like, I’ll have a conversation with someone about relationships and then, a few days later, be in that exact same situation that that conversation was preparing me for, or, sometimes, it’s even something catastrophic that needed to happen. 

I always talk about how, when you are living in alignment with your dharma, your soul’s purpose, you experience flow (kriya). So, that’s when you meet the right person, at the right time, and you feel these synchronicities. But when you’re out of alignment with your dharma, your soul’s purpose, you experience karma, which is bounded action by the Universe. So, those are the barricades and blocks that are actually the Universe telling you that something is out of alignment and that you need to make a shift to come back into alignment.

[02:06] Sahara

So, often times, at the beginning, it’s a tap, tap, tap, you feel a little anxious, something feels off, we still don’t listen, because most people in the world feel that way all the time. And then it turns into a punch, punch, punch, something bigger. You know, maybe you’re having panic attacks, or you really don’t want to go to work, or you’re experiencing fights with this person, or whatever else. And often times, we still don’t listen because we’re stubborn little humans and then it can be an ‘on your knees’ moment, an accident, a catastrophe, a divorce, something really big that it’s like “Okay, you need to look at this area of your life”. And that doesn’t mean that the Universe was out to get you, no, it’s actually its way of protecting you. It’s telling you that something is off and that’s why there’s that pain, that’s why there’s that resistance, it’s the barricades on the end of the highway, it’s to get you back on track. 

And then, when you get back on track towards your dharma, your soul’s purpose, your fullest expression, the big reason why you are here – and that’s exactly what I teach in Dharma Coaching Institute. When you’re living in alignment with that, you start to notice that the Universe is propelling you in the direction of your purpose because you are living in alignment with your unique design. You’re sharing the gifts that you’re here to share, you are, literally, operating at your fullest potential. And that’s what Source, God, Universal Consciousness, wants, it wants us all to be living our highest timelines, because that’s what’s going to create the best world for all of us. We need the singers, we need the poets, we need the builders, we need everything. And you were designed, with your own unique archetypes, your own unique experiences, even the obstacles you’ve overcome, or your training ground to prepare you for embodying your soul’s purpose. Because you may have been born with this purpose, but it doesn’t mean you were born embodying it. You need to go through those life-challenging lessons to give you the tools, the grit, the resilience, the confidence, the strength the voice.

We experience contrast to help us see “Okay, this doesn’t feel right, and now, how can I come into alignment again?”

[04:15] Sahara

So, in my own experience, it has been through my greatest life tragedies in fact. Going through health challenges in my early 20s, doctors telling me that I was going through perimenopause when I was 21 years old, then learning how to heal my body, studying Ayurveda, which led to me writing my first and second book on Ayurveda; then dealing with issues with my family, which caused me to go down this healing journey, and looking at the ancestral patterns, and all the ways the feminine was oppressed, and being the first woman in my family to really go out there and work and share her gifts; and then experiencing my divorce and that heartbreak, and looking deeper into myself and the ways I wasn’t fully meeting and showing up for myself. 

So, all of these initiations are preparing us for what is to come.

[04:59] Sahara

So, I share all about how you can actually turn your pain into your purpose, turn your mess into your message, turn that bronze into gold, which is alchemy, in my new Pain To Purpose series. 

I share with you my story of my recent dark night of the soul and how it led to even higher levels of expression, freedom, joy, even being a headline DJ at Envision Festival, with 1500 people in the jungle, all coming through, really looking at what was underneath the hood of my car, because it’s a constant journey, it’s a constant spiral, and then there are higher initiations required.

So, head over to the show notes to sign up for the Pain To Purpose series. It is absolutely free, it’s going to give you that little nudge that you might need right now, of looking at, maybe, some of the obstacles in your life, and seeing how you can alchemize them into gold.

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So, this is our ICF recognized school that trains Soul Purpose and Spiritual Life Coaches through our 6-month tried and trued method. We’ve graduated over 1500 coaches and have had incredible transformational experiences of many people, now, full-time coaching, being paid by corporations, hosting their own retreats, having their one-on-one private practices and so much more. 

So, again, head over to the show notes, you’re going to be able to join the Pain For Purpose series and learn more about the Dharma Coaching Institute.

[06:30] Sahara

So, now let’s get into this Episode. Today, I am sitting with Robert Grant, you may recognize him from The Gaia Show, Codax. He is a man of the mysteries, who has actually discovered one of the biggest discoveries in the ancient Egyptian mythology. And in today’s conversation, he’s going to be merging metaphysics, math and science with spirituality, to help us actually see how many of these claims that we talk about, such as synchronicities, are actually scientifically and mathematically proven.

So, this is a great conversation, especially if you’re someone that’s maybe a little bit more skeptical, or you tend to just be  a little bit more on that left brain side that you need more math and research to believe something, or to share it with your partner who may be more like that. 

[07:13] Sahara

I love seeing the way that math and music, spirituality and science, can go hand-in-hand, and this is a conversation that’s going to help you see that these aren’t actually different sides of ourselves, but they’re actually interrelated.

[07:27] Sahara

So, without further ado, let’s welcome Robert Grant, on The Highest Self Podcast. 


[07:31] Interview

[07:31] Sahara

Alright! Well, welcome Robert, to The Highest Self Podcast, it’s so great to have you here!

[07:36] Robert

Great to be here!

[07:37] Sahara

The first question I would love to ask you is, what makes you your highest self?

[07:42] Robert

What makes me my highest self? I think, my authentic self. So, I think I spent the first half of my life, probably, trying to be my ideal, in every single way. And I think the second half of my life has been spent realizing that I was already ideal. And it’s like we, from the moment we’re born, we experience separation, we start carving off parts of ourselves that we think are not really what we want to be because those parts bring us shame and guilt, so we, sort of, just cut it. I think of it like a block of cheese, you start off with this big block of cheese, and then by the end, you’ve got this thin pillar, and you’ve separated yourself from all the rest of it. When actually, the great lesson is, to learn to bring and integrate all those aspects of yourself that you’ve cut away from yourself. In my case, I’ve been a musician who gave up music. I was an artist who gave up art, because it was something I didn’t want to associate with, I was a serious business guy, right, and into my left brain, very much into mathematics and logic, and I thought my whole job, here on Earth, was to learn to be a better judge. 

And what I realized, over time, was actually that what I thought was black and white, was actually more grey than black or white. And a lot of the auras I was living and experiencing actually became ‘ands’, and then I started realizing that I am what I’ve been looking for.

So, my highest self is realizing the beauty of the uniqueness of that I am, and just integrating that and accepting it fully, and loving it fully. And as I experience that more and more, then the world around me starts to become more like that too.

[09:24] Sahara

And you start to experience the synchronicities that are guiding you there, that want you there. So, I really want to dive into this because I heard you on another podcast and I was like, because I’ve been really devoted to synchronicities and being in conversation with the Universe in that way, but, you know, sometimes we even question ourselves. Like, even when we had a Zoom call, you know, sometimes I even question like “Am I making this up in my head?”. When you say red car, you start noticing red car everywhere, so, is it, like, my own bias, in my mind?

So, I’m curious, first of all, how do you see a synchronicity? What is your definition and your understanding of it? Let’s start there, and I’ve got some more layers I want to get into.

[10:00] Robert

Okay. I see it as a moment. Karl Jung says that you can actually track your progression through the individuation process by the degree and number of synchronicities you experience and register. And I believe that, wholeheartedly. 

And so, what I realized is, all along, all these synchronicities were around, but I wasn’t necessarily tracking them and noticing them. You know, I’d wake up every morning at like 1:11, or 4:32, or 1:37, and I was like “How is it always one of these three numbers?”, I mean, it’s kind of bizarre. I mean, obviously, I have some sort of clock inside my body that is running all the time and somehow telling me to wake up at this time because that’s the time I have to go to the bathroom. But wait a minute, is it really that way, all day long too? How is it that I’m seeing the same cycle of number through my life, all over, and over, and over again? And is it really that these things are something separate from me or is it really that what I’m experiencing as the outside world around me, is really just my you-inverse? And this is the way that the higher self and your subconscious mind can communicate with your conscious mind, through synchronicities.

It’s like, imagine there’s sort of, like, a veil between the conscious and the subconscious mind, and that veil is this veil of forgetfulness, and there’s no way the past notes through that veil, or communicate through that veil. You have to learn the Morse code of communication between those two realms, and synchronicities are that Morse code. It allows you to communicate with your higher self, it allows you to connect, and when you finally do communicate with the subconscious mind, or the you-inverse, that’s when you’re starting to integrate the super conscious mind. And every moment can be a beautiful synchronicity if we just start to notice what’s happening around us, but we have to be present and we have to be aware and realize that we’re not disconnected from the world around us, but actually, we’re just a part of a larger consciousness, that is us.

[12:01] Sahara

I love that, Universe – you in verse. 

[12:05] Robert


[12:06] Sahara

That the Universe is ‘you in verse’, it’s a reflection of you.

[12:09] Robert

It’s an inverted you.

[12:10] Sahara

Yes. So, my question is then, who is behind these synchronicities? What is the energy behind it and what does it want?

[12:20] Robert

So, I think what it wants is, as I kind of gave the analogy, as we start off – I remember, in 2017, I started drawing out what I was seeing in my mind, was musical notes, because I was a musician, also, and I was noticing all these correspondences in mathematics, to music. You know, most people that bring in a lot of new mathematical discovery, happen to also be musicians. And we know Bernard Reman because he’d given us something that is called the prime number conjecture, right, prime number distribution, how prime numbers distributed out into infinity. And he wrote this conjecture that’s never been proven yet, still unproven, but most people know Reman for being a musician. He wrote “Neoremanian Tuning”, right? So, he was a brilliant musician who also happened to be a number theorist. 

And so, what you find is that math and music are just opposites of each other. In a way, you could say that music is the way that we enjoy music, but we do it through the abstract concept of it. The center point of those two things is geometry, so, geometry definitely is the music that we enjoy with our eyes. And music is the geometry that we enjoy with our ears. So, when you start thinking in those terms, and the math is the abstract notion of it all, the language beneath it, the source code beneath it all, then you start realizing that what is really happening here is that I’ve been separating out as a higher self. Imagine you’re a higher consciousness, that higher consciousness wants to experience itself through your eyes, through your unique perspective, your unique way of viewing the world is the highest value you can bring to the Akashic Record. The Akashic Record wants to expand with more data.

[13:59] Sahara

And can you explain what is Akashic Record for someone that…

[14:02] Robert

The Akashic Record is a field, right, it’s a data bank. You can think of it like a blockchain. It’s like a blockchain of everything that has happened through time. And what are those things? Well, it’s a blockchain of all of our emotional experiences. It’s literally a blockchain of our emotions.

[14:19] Sahara

That has ever happened and will ever happen?

[14:21] Robert

That has ever happened and will ever happen. And in India, I know we have a mutual friend, Deepak, so, Deepak asked me to come with him, once, to Kerala, and I wasn’t able to go with him on that trip, but he told me that when he goes to Kerala, he gets this banana leaf reading.

[14:37] Sahara

The Nodi leaf?

[14:39] Robert

Yes, exactly, the Nodi leaf.

[14:40] Sahara


[14:41] Robert

And I was so excited to do this. I went and did it anyway, but I didn’t go with him because I couldn’t make it, I had a board conflict that same week. 

But basically, the idea is that, there’s a record of all of the experiences that we have, all of the incarnations of you that are happening, actually, simultaneous to this moment now. And that record is basically this blockchain storage of all of the emotions. Now, we can’t track time without motion.

So, if you think about dimension, for just a moment, right. You remember in school, a single line would be the first dimension, right? If we, then, put another axis on that line, so we have an X axis, now we have a Y axis, now we can have two dimensions and we measure that in unit squared, right? So, we can measure area because you take, you know, going up the Y axis and to the right, on the X axis, you can basically have 5 and 5, so the area would be 25 for that. And, so, that’s how we measure it. In the third dimension, we add a Z axis, right? So, now, there’s a depth dimension, it’s not just flat anymore. And that depth dimension allows us to measure things in volume, right? So, then, you would just take each one of those sides, if it was all equal and you’d be S to the 3rd power, so, the side to the 3rd power. Well, the fourth dimension is time, and what that requires is motion, right? So, motion.

So, you could say that time itself is a recording of all motion. But I find it interesting and analogous that actually, what we experience through every moment of time that we experience, is really the sum of all of our perceptions, that then lead to emotional results. And emotion and motion are closely related to each other, because if you wanted to experience it yourself through someone else’s eyes. So, the 1 divides itself into the many, simply for the joy of observing itself through the eyes of this other number, this other person, and then also, having that group, or the many, come back into the number 1 again, eventually. So, the 1 divides itself in the many, simply for the joy, ultimately becoming 1 again.

So, each of these perceptions that we have are not actually related to the things that happen to us, because what actually happens to us is not necessarily what truly happened to us. What do I mean by that?

Everybody has their own lens of perception. So, if we sat out onto the street outside here and we were eyewitness to a crime, and then we ended up having to go to court to testify about that crime, and there were thirty other witnesses that saw the same crime. Let’s say there was an old woman who got robbed on the street. How many different accounts would there be of what happened? At least thirty, right? And would they all be the same? You would think that they would be the same – they’re not the same. Very often, it’s one of the biggest challenges when you go to court because many eyewitnesses to what happened, all have entirely different accounts of what happened. It’s because we cannot separate ourselves from our own observation bias from our experience. 

And so, if we’re living every single moment, we think that “Oh, this happened to me”, or “That happened to me”, it’s not actually what happened to you necessarily, we see the world not as it is, but as we are. So, what happens is, we then say “This happened to me”, and we make an interpretation, we interpret what occurred, and that interpretation is an observation that comes from our conditioning biases, ultimately.

So, therefore, we then, cannot differentiate between what actually happened to us, right, and what we perceive happen to us. So, what we say happened to us is actually the sum of our perceptions, and that perception leads to emotional states, right? So, it’s like an inducement of an emotional state. And you can go through life not having any control over your emotions and just letting external stimuli stimulate you into one feeling or another, and you can be all over the map until you find your center and you realize that this is actually happening to you. You can actually grasp it and get control over it and say “I’m not going to perceive it this way, I’m going to perceive it a different way altogether”. And when we do that, it keeps a record in the Akashic field because it’s a sum of all the motion states and emotion states, right, that we experience. So, we can tap into those emotional states that moment and we can revisit those places, and when you actually raise your consciousness to a high enough level, you can access that Akashic field of information, which is all information in it, all the emotional states and all the stimuli that basically led to those emotional outcomes.

[19:41] Sahara 

So, what I struggle with understanding is, is then, what’s the difference between an emotion or motion that you actually did vs. didn’t do, if it’s all being recorded?

[19:51] Robert

It’s how you remember it, first of all, because there is something called retrocausality, which, you can go back… Have you ever had a situation where you said “Gosh, that was terrible”, and then a year later, you can back and said…

[20:04] Sahara

Oh, in one! Yes. Divorce.

[20:07] Robert

…“That was the best thing! I dodged a bullet!”, right? “Oh my gosh, that was the best thing that ever happened to me”, right? We’ve all had that experience. 

Time has this way of flipping polarity of circumstance and perception, right? So, there becomes a retrocausal nature of it because, then, that is, also, incredibly healing. Because once you finally have that realization that what happened to you, actually happened for your highest benefit, then you no longer feel a victim and you can let go of that trauma.

I don’t even like to use the term trauma, to be honest, because trauma implies “I had nothing to do with it”.

[20:45] Sahara

And it implies something negative that’s taken away from you.

[20:48] Robert

It implies something negative, and that you don’t, ultimately, have control, you’re not the captain of your soul, you’re not the master of your fate.

I believe that we are the master of our fate and we are the captain of our soul, and that we do have a tremendous amount of power over how we choose to perceive what happens around us.

[21:05] Sahara


[21:06] Robert

And what often happens to us is that we often go into these modes where we become the hammer that’s always searching for a nail and we don’t even realize it. So, if we think we’re a victim, we will be victimized over, and over, and over again. If, instead, you feel, like, empowered, you don’t feel the victim, you’re not victimized anymore. And even the circumstances, you might have said, from one angle, it looked like you were victimized, it can become an incredible source of empowerment towards you, right?

And I know you went through a similar, a very challenging, circumstance, that you told me about in our last conversation. And now, but it’s so incredible how quickly you’ve already gone into that new polarity of perception.

[21:53] Sahara

Yeah, by seeing it as an ultimate gift of transmutation and knowing that that’s what life gives us, it’s to turn that bronze into gold and to continue to have these deeper initiations to take us to deeper levels of embodiment that we would not have been able to reach had it not been through those transformative periods.

And I’ve noticed so many more synchronicities since going through this journey of just, like, constant confirmation of being in and out of alignment, through flow, and then also through that bounded energy. 

So, coming back to my question of like, who’s behind these synchronicities, what does this ‘you-inverse’, what does this God, Source, Consciousness, want?

[22:39] Robert

So, imagine if you could multiply yourself by your ‘you-inverse’. So, if you have a number, and let’s call that number really a light signature, because we can convert a spectrum of light into a numerical representation, right? So, that means that the world around you would simply be one over your number.

Let’s say your number happened to be your birthday. Was your birthday combined with your name, in Gematria, which is assigning of numerical value to the letters of your name, it’s also your birth location, your birth time. And what I’ve just described to you know is the Gene Keys, it’s effectively the Gene Keys, that’s the information you have to put into the Gene Keys. And it’s remarkably accurate, if you haven’t done it before.

[23:26] Sahara

Yeah, I have.

[23:27] Robert

Yeah, it’s very accurate, just as Numerology is very accurate, incredibly accurate, and so is Astrology. But really, Gene Keys, to me, is like a higher order, higher dimensional astrology, in a way. 

And so, when you realize that you have a light signature, and the world around you…

[23:43] Sahara

So, this consciousness, you believe, chose your birth date, and your name, and your birth place, to give you this certain number spectrum to experience life through?

[23:53] Robert

Which then means, I will have it in…because there never anyone else that’s had my exact same number spectrum, no one else, ever, has ever had my exact same number. So, therefore, my experience, in my outside world, will be another number pattern that will be the inverse of that value. So, one over that number, will give me a repetition rate.

So, what do I mean by that? So, certain numbers, when you take their inverse values, you take the number 7 for example, 1 over 7, so the number 1, divided 7 times, is 0.142857, and then those same 6 digits repeat infinitely, okay? It’s called a period, or periodicity. It’s almost like a time tracker where you could say it’s like 142857 142857 142857, like a sign, cosign wave on that number. Now, as you get to larger and larger numbers, that length of period becomes gigantic, becomes huge. So huge, sometimes, that you cannot zoom out enough to see the pattern. 

[25:01] Sahara

Like patterns in your life are repeating?

[25:04] Robert

Bingo! It’s exactly right! The patterns in your life are repeating, they’re set so that everything was actually predetermined, you just didn’t realize it. And it took you your whole life until you realized “Wait, what are the patterns that are in my life, that are repeating? That are specifically related to my unique light signature?”

I used to think that, you know, I was good in business and that’s why I could succeed in business, and I worked really hard and, you know, I was always like “Oh, you know, luck isn’t related to this thing, it’s just chance and opportunity meet in the right place. Preparation and opportunity is what I, basically, represent, and therefore, I am successful”. But one day, I realized, maybe, it was because I was born a Taurus.

[25:50] Sahara

Just have a propensity towards material, grounded, you know, Taurus thing.

[25:55] Robert

Every Taurus I know has the same thing, they like nice things, right? They manifest luxury, they’re like of this earth, they can literally ground anything, right? And I don’t think I know any Tauruses that aren’t like that.

[26:12] Sahara


[26:13] Robert

Right? And they’re just good with it, they just do it like a fish swims, right? If we try to judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, this is a quote from Einstein, you know, obviously, we’re all going to be disappointed by not being a genius, but actually judge it on what it’s built to do. And that’s understanding what our own Gene Key is. When we finally understand what we’re here to do, that’s what I mean when you asked me the question “What is your highest self?”, and I said it’s my highest authenticity. It’s recognizing and owning who I am and realizing that that is good enough and that I exist for a reason. My existence is here, to provide another expansion to the Akashic field of information so that the Universe, the One, the Universal One, or God, if you want to call it that, not some old guy who’s, like, reaching out to Adam, but actually the entire Universe itself is alive and wanting to expand and grow.

I gave you a copy of my book “Philomath”. Philomath means lover, philo means lover, just like from philosophy, sophia means wisdom. So, Philosophia is lover of wisdom. Philomath, doesn’t mean lover of math, but ancient word for mathematics never meant, until the time of Aristotle, it always meant the seed of all learning, it was the language of all learning. 

So, this idea of philosophia and philomath is actually not a lover of mathematics, it’s a lover of learning. The Universe is a lover of learning, the Universe wants to expand its consciousness just as we want to expand our consciousness. And through each of us, going through this process of ascension and then returning back to one, it adds more and more value to the expansion of overall consciousness.

[28:15] Sahara

So, do you think that the Universe is benevolent or just neutral? Do you think it wants the highest good for humanity or it just wants to experience the full spectrum of no agenda of what’s benevolent or evil?

[28:30] Robert

I think we all have these notions of what we think, you know, God should be. And I, kind of, use the example of Michelangelo’s God and Adam reaching out to each other, like this mirror reflection of each other. Most people don’t realize, though, that as God is reaching out to Adam, there’s something around God, it looks like a curtain around him, he’s got angels and cherubs around him, and a woman right across from him, making a shape of an X as well. Well, that is all a representation of the brain, the human brain. The X is representing the optic chiasm, which is, the right eye connects through its optic nerve to the occipital lobe on the left side of the brain, and the left eye connects to the right side of the brain, so it creates a Chi shape, and X, right over the pituitary gland. 

The pituitary gland is the feminine of the brain. The pineal gland is the masculine of the brain, it’s actually shaped like a penis. And the pituitary gland is also shaped like the sex organ of a woman, right, the vagina. And those two things actually can work together, they’re apart from each other in the brain, but through brain exercises, you can actually lift the pituitary gland so that it’ll be on the same plain, if you breathe in and out, it actually does move up and down. 

And actually, what’s funny is, we all see cineflouroscopy, echocardiograms of heart tissue, right? We’ll see somebody’s heart pumping and we’ll be able to look at something like a cineflouroscopy, where we can actually see the blood going through the heart. But it’s very seldom that we get to see something where the brain is actually moving with each one of our breaths, but we could see it, right, if we did have that, kind of, an Accuscan, or MRI, whatever, running in real time, you would see the brain pumps in and out, just like our heart does. It goes up and down with each of our breaths, just as our heart is pumping all the time and moving as well.

So, what this does is, when you can actually bring together the pineal and the pituitary glands, then you balance the masculine and feminine. And in particular, with the breathing, the feminine must rise. The pituitary gland is lower in the plain. So, this optic chiasm, right, is representing the left side of the brain merging with the right side of the brain, the left side of the brain being the seat of all rational thought, the right side of the brain being the seat of irrational thought, creativity. The masculine, or the linear, side of the brain is the left side, and you could say that would be representative by the letter A, and then the feminine side of the brain brings in a curve, it’s not just straight lines, it’s the Omega. So, you have now, Alpha, Chi, Omega (Chi bringing the balance between the two).

So, we’ve been living in this existence of duality. Now, I raise the concept of duality, why? Well, because, we all have this concept of God being only good. So, then we have to come up with the name like Set, in Egypt, which became Satan, right? Satan just means he that opposes, is Satan just an actor, as part of this, to create the separation, somehow, from God? Because we can’t associate the bad things that happen in the world with a God figure, because we think they’re only good. You know, it’s only, kind of, western philosophy that has led to these concepts of divinity being only good. 

If you look through history, the Greek pantheon, the Sumerian pantheon, right, which had 7 Gods, the Egyptian pantheon had 9 Gods, the Greek pantheon has 12. And if you look at each one of the personalities of Zeus, and Poseidon, and Athena, etc., they all have these incredible strengths, right, and these abilities. They’ve got kind of special powers, but they also have very, very high degree of fault tolerance, right? So, what I mean by that, oh, Zeus was this crazy player, right? He had all these women, he was married to Hera, but he had all these affairs with all these other women, and he was well-known for that, it wasn’t like he was just this perfectly good guy.

If you look into Indian and Hindu belief systems, right, we’ve got concepts of Kali, which is, kind of, like, destructive. Shiva, right, Brahman. They all have these different kind of personality types and we don’t look at it as like “That’s Satan”, but actually it is creating cycles of destruction.

So, instead of looking at it through the lens of duality, of good and evil, we can transcend above that concept and just realize that it is, and that everything must remain in balance, so that means that God, himself or herself, must be both light and dark, because that’s what’s happening in this world. And we’re just a reflection, in totality, of just all of the different divisions that can be possible of that number one. The number one is neither evil nor good, it’s balanced.

So, I believe that, you know, and I know that this is hard for people, sometimes I’ll say, I don’t believe that anyone’s any better than anyone else. What I believe is that, the people that I’m most concerned about are the ones who don’t believe they have any darkness within them. Because, usually, those are the ones that will then do the things, right, that society has the hardest time integrating, because they believe, fully, that they are completely above and beyond and they’re only good. This is how you get the catholic priest who ends up, you know, molesting the ultra-boy. And this is what life is here to teach us, that… Shakespeare says “Whether good or bad, thinking makes it so”, whether good or bad, thinking makes it so. It’s kind of in that same concept of, as we make judgments, we don’t realize, often, that the things we judge are the things we attract. Until we no longer judge the things we attracted. So, we’re not here to learn more judgment. After 40, 50 years of life, you start realizing “I’m not here to be more of a judge, I’m here to be a lover. I’m here to accept, I’m here to love and to be loved, and to learn how receive that love, both from myself and from others. When I keep judging that it’s not there, I’m only recreating more cycles of Samsara, which is that periodicity of that number that relates to my inverse, right?  

So, every single person, when you start realizing this, and that you can communicate with your higher self, all the experiences, all the people that come across you as you walk down the street, they can be divine emanations, bringing you messages, confirming the path. And then, when things that are going to happen to you that are not so great, happen, then you can actually look at it from a different perspective and say “The Universe didn’t happen to me, it’s happening for me. I just need to see it in the light that it is”. 

We get triggered by things, and now, in that context, we have to say “Well, if I’m triggered by this thing, what is it that I’m trying to teach myself through this triggering? And that is really when the world changes. When you start realizing that “Wait a minute, this is all happening for me”, then you start realizing you’re in a game, and the game is of your own making. And then it’s beautiful and it just changes everything because the context is now totally changed. Everything has changed and you start realizing “Oh, I’m getting less and less triggered by things”, that means that you’re literally dissolving a lot of these issues that you had judged in yourself. Your life gets lighter, your relationships get better, and then you start to ask yourself not “Why did that happen to me?”, but “Why did I choose this?”

[36:30] Sahara

And then everything becomes medicine.

[36:32] Robert

And then everything becomes medicine, and then your whole life just becomes more fun. You’re not toiling anymore in the same way, things just start happening for you, kind of, automatically, you don’t have to worry about what’s going to happen in your life because you already realize you’re there.

One of my favorite Chinese proverbs is “The man who blames others has a long way in his journey to go. The man who blames himself is half way there. And the man who blames no one, has already arrived”.


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[38:10] Sahara

And I see this happening a lot with the western psychology model. You know, it’s like, we go from unawareness, this is happening in the news, I’m a victim, and then we go into a lot of the psychology work and it’s like “It’s because of my childhood”, “It’s because of this, it’s because of that”, and then it’s like “I’m a traumatized person”, and, you know “I need all these labels”, and all of these ways that we give up our power. We do become victims of our own situations, and thought patterns, and all of that, and I think it’s our way of negating responsibility. And then, when we’re able to move past that, it’s like “Okay, why did my soul choose this? What lessons did it teach me? What medicine did it give me?”, and then anything that’s showing up for you, it’s perfect exactly as it is.

[38:51] Robert

As it is. 

[38:52] Sahara

And then, when you release preferences – that’s really been my practice, of like “I don’t know. I don’t know where I’m supposed to live. I don’t know where I’m supposed to go. How could I know? Because I could’ve never known the direction my life has gone”. I would’ve, very much, limited my full potential had I decided, you know, at what age do you decide, because it’s constantly changing, right? You would put a cap at your potential, at whatever age you decided how your life was meant to go. So, instead, just stepping into this ‘show me’, “Show me by hearing the right thing at the right time and meeting the right people that guides mee to the next step”, and then you’re like, on the edge of your seat of your life, you know, and you’re just like “Ohh, where is this going to take me, and that?”

Like, I noticed, within myself, of the ego trying to grasp to certainty, because I do think it helps, like, before, earlier on the journey, of like, goal-setting, you know, of like “Okay, this is my goal, I’m going to work hard towards it, I’m going to be disciplined and practice it”. And it can help us go from, maybe, like, unawareness, apathy, to a sense of control and empowerment, which gets our fire going. But then, to go beyond that, it’s “How can my little human mind know?” It’s like, laughable. 

[40:04] Robert

It’s true.

[40:05] Sahara


[40:06] Robert

You know, certainty, is something that everybody falls into the trap of, and there’s really no such thing. I mean, literally, I could walk outside right now and just make a mistake because I’m looking at my phone, and get hit by a car.

[40:19] Sahara

And then we hold onto these certainties of “I have this job”, and “I’m in this relationship”, and “This is where I live”, and “This is how I do things”, and when it’s gone, it’s like “That was taken away from me”, as if it was ever yours. 

[40:30] Robert

Yeah. Have you ever seen that movie Office Space?

[40:33] Sahara


[40:34] Robert

It’s absolutely hysterical. And these guys are like these total, like, Silicon Valley nerds. And one of the guys is, like, from Syria or somewhere in the Middle East, and the other guys are figuring out how to, like, rob the bank they’re working at, or the company they’re working at. They’re going to take one fraction of one penny off of everybody’s bank account, it’s actually a really funny comedy. And, of course, they, you know, it becomes this whole thing.

But in one of the scenes, one of the guys, the guy that’s from the Middle East, one of the guys makes a comment, the guy that was from Silicon Valley originally, says, he goes “What do you want? You want to just be in this job for the rest of your life, sitting in that cubicle?”, and then the guy from, like, the Middle East says “I can only dream of such job security”, which is the funniest thing, because everyone’s like, oh, that must be the worst existence ever, right, to be stuck in some, like, cubicle, for the rest of your days, right, grinding it out for some lame company you have no purpose working for, right, all you’re doing is shuffling papers from one desk to another type of thing. And the other guy’s total different perspective is “I can only dream of such amazing job security”.

[41:43] Sahara

And it’s like Maslow’s hierarchy because it’s like, when you don’t have your survival needs met, then yes, job security sounds like the most grounding thing ever, I really want that. But when you have that, a lot of the people in the US and the Western world, they’re like “Okay, what’s next?”, but then, often, we go into material goods, thinking that’s what’s going to give us liberation. 

I know that’s been a part of your journey, and then we realize the emptiness, and the yearning, and the longing for something greater still there, and then we let go. But how can we let go without having to get all of the things first?

[42:16] Robert

I think it’s already pre-determined by the light signature and your number. I don’t think it’s something that you can just say.

[42:21] Sahara

So, you don’t believe there’s free will?

[42:23] Robert

I believe that what we call free will and destiny, is actually related to a different way. I believe that what we call destiny is the free will of our higher selves. 

[42:32] Sahara

Because, yeah, sometimes, I think, if there’s free will, doesn’t our highest self already know what we’re going to decide, based off of our past…

[42:39] Robert

It’s working independent of time already.

[42:41] Sahara


[42:41] Robert

So, it knows better than we can know because it’s got the perspective of being able to see all past and all future. For it, it’s just now.

[42:52] Sahara

So, do you think, then, by doing practices like – well, let’s just start by healing your inner child and things like that, do you think that you can change your destiny?

[43:01] Robert

I believe that the destiny is already pre-determined, and the path of what we wanted to learn, right, and maybe not in our lower context, in our lower conscious minds. But let’s just say…

[43:12] Sahara

The overarching lessons.

[43:13] Robert

The overarching lessons. So, let’s just say that there’s something selected, we’re the higher self, which is, the entire Universe says, “Here is what I want to experience, here’s what I want to learn”, it’s like a menu, I’m going to go down the menu list of things and based on this light signature, which we can basically embed in each person by determining their time of birth, their location of their birth and all that stuff, right, it’s, like, built into you. So, then, the arch of your life is already set, your hero’s journey is already pre-determined. The fact that you’re going to come back and realize oneness…

[43:46] Sahara

And would you say the life’s work in Gene Keys, is the closest thing you found to explaining that?

[43:51] Robert

Yeah, I would.

[43:53] Sahara

So, mine says “You’re here to teach about spirituality”.

[43:55] Robert

There you go.

[43:56] Sahara


[43:57] Robert

See, you find your place.

[43:59] Sahara

But then, maybe, it’s the mediums that is the free will of like “Okay, how am I going to do this?” But then, what about people who never reach their Siddhi, their dharma, their purpose?

[44:09] Robert

Well, I mean, sometimes you go through multiple lifetimes. But I think that’s actually part of their purpose too, they’re just going through their long cycle of this massive repetition cycle. And at some point, once they finally raise their consciousness and be able to see the patterns of their lives, and then, once we expand beyond duality, that’s when you start experiencing time differently. The moment you start letting go of judgment, it’s literally, that is the encryption layer, time is the encryption layer between the 4th dimension and the 5th dimension. The 5th dimension is a dimension of love and acceptance. And the way we transcend time is by turning to love rather than judgment.

[44:50] Sahara

I experienced this firsthand because I was very much operating at the frequency of truth. And I was sharing with you before I went to Egypt, I was very much, even my whole life, truth-seeker, share the truth, be the truth, truth, truth, truth. And, you know, truth is a very important virtue, but just the initiation, the portal that I’ve been in, and going to Egypt, it shifted my frequency to love, that it was less about truth, because truth has this element of justice to it.

[45:17] Robert


[45:18] Sahara

It has this element of “This is right and this is wrong”, and “I need to balance the scales through my actions, which means I ultimately know, I am the judge of what’s right and wrong”. And it showed me just, first of all, that we, as humans, are not in charge of that at all. We have the Ma’at, the deity, and many other deities and all these different cycles, and all of these different layers that we are just not even consciously aware of, in the grand scheme of lifetimes where this is all being played out, and truth, a judge panel, is not on one specific situation. And beyond that, it’s like, truth, ultimately, if it’s not being received, what’s the point, right? If I’m like “This is the truth, I’m going to tell you the truth”, and you’re closed off to it because I’m not coming from a place of love, then it’s just hitting a wall and then I’m just actually lowering my vibration now because you’re not feeling heard, you’re not feeling met.

[46:07] Robert

And for the other person, their truth is their truth. It could be the same as looking outside and saying “No, no, no”, one person could say “Oh, the guy ran up and stole the bag from behind”, and the other one would say “No, that’s not true, he came from the other direction and stole it from the front”, right? And both of them may be right. How is that possible that both are right? So, this is so difficult because people are like “Wait a minute, ahh, there has to be an objective truth”. Hmm, no, what we all have to realize is that what we’ve been telling ourselves as the truth, is what we subconsciously, and unconsciously, believe was benefiting us. 

[46:43] Sahara

Right. Yeah, because, also, truth changes with time; different levels of consciousness, different awareness, different pieces of the puzzle. You might have seen that accident happen on the street, but now I realized the car behind them was actually pushing this car to go faster, so it wasn’t this car, it was that car and it’s like “My field awareness expands so the, the truth changes again, meanwhile, your field of awareness is changing, we might actually switch sides of what is true”.

[47:06] Robert

Oh, completely!

[47:08] Sahara


[47:09] Robert

By the way, that’s what political parties are doing right now.

[47:10] Sahara


[47:12] Robert

No, that’s exactly what’s happened. I mean, we can look back in history – so, you know, we tend to think of the party that’s an advocate for, you know, NWSAP, and sort of, for minority issues, etc., it’s going to be the democratic party, generally, right? And then, we tend to think about the republican party as old, rich white guys, right, and that’s kind of the way they’re both portrayed. And to a certain extent, both kind of accept that as well. But what’s more interesting about it is going back in time, because, the emancipation proclamation was made by Abraham Lincoln, who was a republican. The democrats were actually the party of slavery.

[47:49] Sahara

Right, yeah.

[47:50] Robert

So, how did that flip 180 degrees?

[47:53] Sahara

Right. Because we could say, “It is true, that democrats stand for freedom”, and “It is true that republicans stand for, they’re all conservative white dudes”, but that actually just wasn’t true because in Abraham Lincoln’s time it was the polar opposite. 

[48:06] Robert

Well, I’ll give you another example of it, since we’re on politics, you know, I’m neither republican nor democrat, I refuse to participate, I’m done. 

[48:13] Sahara

Yeah, exactly. I’m non-preference.

[48:15] Robert

I’m so over it, I’m like “Oh, please”. The republican party touts itself as the party of conservatism, right? And that also extends to how they spend their money, right? And yet, every republican presidency has run a much larger budget deficit than their democrat counterparts. What gives? It’s almost like you want to, basically, fool everybody. If you want to be a successful president, I’ve heard this before, either be a democrat or a republic who ends up running on those two platforms, but then after it goes into the office, flips to the other side (whatever that is), because you’ll get way more things done. 

So, if you’re a conservative and you actually want to get something done, the way you’ve got to do it is, you basically have to run as a democrat and then have conservative policies because that will turn the tide, right? And so, this is what’s been happening.

I realized in, probably 2010, that what I considered was dualistic – humility and arrogance. I started looking at people that were arrogant, and they are the ones that were calling other people for being arrogant. So, they’re the ones that would say “Oh, I can’t stand that person because he’s so arrogant”.

[49:23] Sahara

Yeah, we see what we are.

[49:24] Robert

If you spot it, that means you got it. And so, that’s when I started realizing that, okay, what we call fascist, actually always starts off as communist. Look throughout history, I mean, is Kim Jong Un and Kim Il Sung, you know, his grandfather, and all the people that basically have set up what is North Korea today. I mean, you go there, you know it’s Fascism, because there’s giant pictures of people’s faces everywhere. But the thing is, is that they always start running on platforms of social democracy. Hitler was a social democrat.

[49:58] Sahara

Yeah, what we resist, persists, and we become that thing.

[50:01] Robert

Exactly! So, all of it is a circle, or a sphere, it’s, you know, you take one more step to the right and you’ve got, you know, you think that you’re right wing, you keep going, you end up at communism. 

[50:14] Sahara

Yeah. And even just on, like, a little micro example. My uncle is very clean, like, OCD, clean, wants everything to be clean, and always ends up with the stains on everything. You know, the stains on the shirt, the stains on the couch, it’s like the one thing that annoys him the most.

[50:31] Robert

What does he do?

[50:32] Sahara

He’s an oral surgeon.

[50:34] Robert

Okay, I knew he was a doctor. The doctors that have the pin pockets here and then there’s always an ink stain in the pocket.

[50:39] Sahara

Exactly, exactly.

[50:41] Robert

And they’re super meticulous and everything else.

[50:42] Sahara

Right. And it’s almost like, we joke, because his wife, my aunt, she could be eating, like, a pomegranate, which is, like, super messy, and, like, bring it from the table to her mouth, and, like, totally fine, and he, like, touches a little bit and he’s like ruined his perfectly white stained shirt. 

And that’s the funny thing of like, whatever you don’t want to happen, has to happen for you to get rid of that preference. But then I wonder, I’m like, okay, let’s say I commit to a lifetime of having no preference, I’m just floating, I’m just, like, accepting what is, it’s like, well, then, how would I have beauty, how would I have expression, how would I have individuation, if I just become this, like, blob of no preference?

[51:22] Robert

Well, I don’t know that it has to be no preference, I think you can… Because I’m a Taurus, I used to not want people to know that I was, like, I like nice things. So, I remember, I used to have an Aston Martin (and I had several Aston Martins), and when I worked at Our Gan, I remember thinking “Oh, I probably shouldn’t drive my Aston Martin to work because I don’t want people to, like, think of me as being, like, obsessed with this material stuff, right? Which is kind of stupid because people all figure it out anyway, right? It’s better just to own it, just own your shit. But instead of trying to tell somebody “Oh, I don’t like this”, or “I’m not like that”, or judge everyone else for doing the thing, that you’re trying to avoid being yourself, just be at one with it, and accept, and own it. 

I like nice things, there’s nothing wrong with it. It’s us that assigns guilt, shame, blame, to whatever the things are in our life, if we’re are not yet fully comfortable with and at peace with. 

[52:24] Sahara

Yes, it’s when you’re wobbling that you’re questioned.

[52:27] Robert

It’s always the case, right? And so, what happens is like, it reminds me, sometimes, I had one circumstance like this, back in high school, that really bothered me, and then it happened again later again in life. So, it was in my second marriage, you know, people ask me the math equation all the time, you know, “What’s half, of a half, of a half?”, and I say three marriages, right? That’s kind of the way it works. 

But I remember, in my second marriage, there was someone that was a friend of mine, who, his wife was, you know, very, very attractive, beautiful woman. I never really talked to her before, and he and I were close friends, and she was in a forum with my ex-wife, and she went to this forum with my ex-wife and this forum is like a white PO type of forum. A white PO is a CEO club basically. And she said “You know, I…”, in this forum with women, she told my ex-wife, and I never even talked to this woman, she told my ex-wife “I think that your husband might be attracted to me”, which caused me a lot of pain. It was very difficult, it was super painful. The thing is, I never even talked to her. So, how could she come to that, right?

We tend to, and you know, we all do this, we all project, sometimes, things. I’ve done it myself sometimes, so I had to learn that experience. We learn through opposites. So, for example, I had to go through this terrible, terrible experience that was in 2016, where I felt I experienced mass betrayal from several of my friends, which was horrible. I was in a battle with the VC partner that was trying to get control of a company that I had founded, and it became a unicorn company, like, overnight. And I ended up winning the battle, but I felt like I lost the war. And it took me a long time to realize why it had to happen that way, because I realized later, that one of the things that I came here to learn, that was part of my dharma, was to learn unconditional love. So, if my choice, at a higher self level, is to learn unconditional love, that means I’m going to learn that through the opposite of unconditional love, which is conditional love. And the extreme forum of unconditional love is betrayal. I had to keep experiencing that betrayal, until I learned to accept it, because if I kept judging it, I would just be on the same hamster trail of repetition that’s just another number cycle that’s coming forward. 

So, once we transmute it, we can actually turn ourselves into a golden light relationship.

[54:59] Sahara

So, do you think, then, when we transmute it, we accept that thing, we no longer have judgment around it, then this number wave shifts?

[55:07] Robert

Yes, it does, and that, I just discovered. So, one of the things, I promise you, I wasn’t going to talk about math, but here I am talking about math. One of the things that I’m trying to do as easily as I possibly can…

[55:17] Sahara

Give us the 4th grade shit.

[55:19] Robert

I’ll give you the 4th grade version. Have you ever heard of the Fibonacci number series?

[55:23] Sahara


[55:24] Robert

Okay. So, you know that Fibonacci number series determines the number of leaves on hat plant, right?

[55:29] Sahara

Oh, no, I didn’t know that.

[55:31] Robert

Yeah. Or the number of petals in a rose. So, the way it works is, or the branch of a tree, every tree will follow this. So, you have one branch, will show up close to the base of a tree, then there’ll be another branch, and then there’s going to be two branches, and then there’s going to be 2+1, so you just add the last two numbers, 3 branches.

[55:51] Sahara

Now I’m looking at the plants.

[55:53] Robert

Then there’s going to be 5 branches on the next run, because you’re just adding it up, 1+2 = 2, then 2+1 +3, and then 3+2 +5, and then 5+3 =8, so, the number series goes, 1 1 2 3 5 8 13 21 34 55 89 144. And then, if I take those numbers at 144 and I divide it by 89, the immediately preceding number, it gives me a ratio of 1.618. Now, this is a very important ratio and it’s the ratio that shows up everywhere in nature. In fact, it’s often referred to as God’s signature.

[56:33] Sahara


[56:34] Robert

1.618. So, I’ll tell you where it matters. 

[56:36] Sahara

I’m, like, looking around the house for it.

[56:37] Robert

For your viewers, I’ll tell you where it matters. I lost a product called Juviderm, right, which became a huge product for dermo fillers and everything. And the doctors that would inject Juviderm, have you head of Juviderm before?

[56:48] Sahara


[56:49] Robert

When they would inject Juviderm, they’d put it in lips, they would inject it in both lips, right. But actually, technically, the way they should inject it is, they should inject 1.618 times the volume that they inject in the top lip, the lager amount should go in the bottom lip. You know why?

[57:10] Sahara

That’s the natural ratio of the lips?

[57:12] Robert

That’s the natural ratio of the lips. By the same token, if you wanted to look at the feminine form, which is, we love the curve, right? Who would want to live in a world with only straight lines? The feminine form, the hip, to waist ratio, is 1.618. A DNA strand, so, you’ve seen how a DNA strand looks, right? So, if I took a strand of DNA, the length of that strand would be 1.618 times the width. Did you know this?

[57:42] Sahara


[57:43] Robert

Everything is this.

[57:45] Sahara

I only learned about Pi, that was, like, the big number in high school. 3.14159…

[57:51] Robert


[57:53] Sahara

Yeah, there was, like, a competition, like how much you could memorize, but I didn’t win.

[57:56] Robert

I did a competition at Pacific High School in Newport Beach.

[57:59] Sahara


[58:00] Robert

And they had me speak to their whole student body about mathematics. And I did this competition, I’m like “Okay, who can do, you know, Pi out to x number of digits, and there was one kid there that actually just kept going, everyone else gave up after like 40 digits.

[58:14] Sahara

Wow, that’s a lot.

[58:15] Robert

And this kid went to like 2000 digits, I was like “Okay, that’s a lot”. But I think the world record is like 20.000 digits, someone can actually remember, it’s kind of crazy. 

[58:24] Sahara


[58:25] Robert

Tells you what the human kind can do. But what’s interesting about this number (1.618), there’s something that makes it golden. Now, you can understand – I tend to refer to…

[58:35] Sahara

Like the pyramids, I’m sure, are connected to it.

[58:37] Robert

Pyramids are definitely connected to it, no doubt about it. The thing that is absolutely connected to it is a mirroring property. So, what do I mean by a mirroring property? 

Well, I call the Universe the ‘you inverse’, right? And another way to look at that would be a mirror between our two consciousness types – the conscious mind which is what I call me, and the subconscious mind which is everything else around me, my experience. And it’s unique to me because my light signature is unique and my 1 over X is that mirror reflection, so, the mirror of consciousness.

The number 1.618 is unique because it’s the only number that, when I take its inverse, the string of numbers, the .618 into infinity, remains identical. So, it’s literally the perfect mirrored number, only number that does this. And we call this the Golden Ratio because all artwork has it embedded within it, whether we know it or not. I’m a sculptor, I’m sculpting, I don’t take calipers to measure to see if I’m doing the hip to waist ratio, if I’m doing the face ratio, the distance between my pupils should be, you know, exactly, vs. my temple to temple, pupil to pupil, temple to temple, temple to temple vs. pupil to pupil is 1.618, it’s perfect. My lips are supposed to be that, everything is supposed to be this, signature of God. The reason is because it has this string of decimal extension that’s identical, even when you take 1 over that value. 

So, how does that even matter? What it matters is that no other number can do that. So, I used to think “This is a property that only the Golden Ratio has, that’s the only magic number”, where it takes its inverse and it’s perfectly the same number infinitely, no other number can do that. So, you could say it would be, like, the God of all numbers, right? But then I learned and discovered the method to apply that and have it work for all numbers. And it’s totally possible to have it work for all numbers. What you have to do is, you take whatever number it is, you square it, you add 1 to it, take its square root and then you take half of its value on the left side of the decimal extension and then you add back half that value back to it, and then that will create a number, now, that will be a perfect mantissa or decimal extension of equivalence in its 1 over X value. 

So, now, you could say that the number itself, on the left of the decimal is your conscious mind, and the number on the right of the decimal is your subconscious mind. They can now be joined into one number. We take the 1 over X of that value and it’s the same decimal extension, identical. Every number can now be made golden.

So, you just asked me the question, so, if I’m stuck to this repetition pattern, how do I become golden, how do I become divine, how do I break out of this cycle of Samsara, mathematically? You can, you become perfectly, infinitely, irrational, no repeating patterns, you’re infinite, it’s your spirit aspect. 

You could think of yourself, like, I could take the square root of Sahara. The square root of you would give me an infinite irrational number, right? That’s perfect, that’s beautiful, there’s no repetition patterns in it, it’s perfectly infinite, it’s entropic, it’s also syntropic, we just don’t know the pattern.

[1:02:05] Sahara

What’s entropic and syntropic?

[1:02:07] Robert

Entropic means chaos, there’s a chaos aspect to the entire universe, right? Chaos has to be balanced, and then there’s pattern. But maybe what we call entropy is really just pattern we don’t understand at the level of our consciousness because the pattern is too big for us to see. 

[1:02:24] Sahara

So, you’re saying that if you see everything in your reality as you inverse, and you transcend having preferences, then you will end up on this code that never repeats and you never go through patterns again. Is that correct?

[1:02:38] Robert

The caveat is love. It’s not just learning to transcend your preferences, it’s learning to love and accept the world exactly as it is.

[1:02:50] Sahara

Where my mind goes to, “Well, what about injustices?”

[1:02:54] Robert

So, then you start asking yourself the question “Why do these injustices keep showing up in my field?” It’s very difficult for us, sometimes, to be able to look at these times of travesties that happen in the world and just say “I accept that the world is a difficult place”, “I accept that the world is a difficult place”, without trying to do something and cause a fight for it, right, or a fight against that thing. And I’m not saying that you just sit back and do nothing, I’m not saying that. But realizing that everything happens in the you inverse for a reason, everything. And everything can loop back on itself in many ways that now we cannot see. And with time, most things, and there are exceptions, but most things, we look back on and say “Gosh, that was the worst thing that ever happened, but I’m actually grateful that it did happen because it did lead to this”.

[1:03:47] Sahara


[1:03:48] Robert

And this is the human condition. So, I’m not saying that, you know, we look at the injustices of the world and we just simply accept the injustices of the world, I’m definitely not saying that. But what I am saying is, we should not let those things become the nail that we, then, simply become the vigilante trying to stamp out every single injustice, because what will happen if we do that, I can tell you for certain. It’s no different than your father, right, or your uncle, who’s the oral surgeon, who doesn’t want to get stuff on his shirt. We create the outcomes from our fears, we create the outcomes from our judgments. So, if, when something like that happens, the learning can be “Okay, how do I not propagate this same experience and have it continue over, and over, and over again?” It doesn’t mean you don’t get involved, but there’s an attachment that we need to avoid, right? The attachment is what we often get so, like, into, that we get attached to “I’m going to be the one who saves the world from this one pernicious or nefarious act”, or whatever it is, and so, that becomes egoic. And then by that egoic transition happening, we tend to create more and more of it in our field. 

When, if we can exchange that with more of the teaching that we would’ve had from, you know, whether it’s – and I’m not Christian per say, I believe Jesus was a Buddhist, who went to Tibet and who basically learned there. And I met the Dalai Lama, and the Dalai Lama told me “Oh, we have all the records of Jesus’ visit to Tiber, you know, in my house back in Tibet. I was exiled from a palace in Dharmsala”. 

But basically, the idea was this, love your enemy, love the triggers. People think that this world can be a terrible place, I don’t believe that this world is a terribly difficult place because people hate each other, I believe the world can be a difficult place because people hate themselves. And when we hate ourselves, we will propagate around us all of that projection and that will show up in our experiences. It’s very difficult for any one of us to judge the position of anyone else, and it’s very difficult for us to not look at the world and say “I’m better than you”.

Like I said before, I don’t believe the people we should be afraid of are the people that aren’t balanced with their darkness. The people we should probably be afraid of are the people that think that they’re entirely righteous. I don’t think I could ever think of anyone who was a villain, who didn’t think they were a hero. 

[1:06:36] Sahara


[1:06:37] Robert

And this is what I mean, if that’s the attachment I’m talking about, we start to create things, we start to create circumstances. To make things better, we start cutting corners, we start being inauthentic with who we actually choose to be so that we can push our agenda forward. We see this in politics, and we see in all types of division that exists in the world. 

[1:06:59] Sahara

I think it comes from, you know, a deep sense of guilt, of like “Oh, I am so lucky to be blessed, so I should do something good to, like, repent for myself, almost”. I think a lot of these altruistic acts are coming from the sense of, like, keep good things coming to me, so that’s why… but then it begs the question of like “Does it matter if it’s doing good in the world?” You know, if I’m donating money to make myself feel better, is there an energetic shift in who’s receiving that money vs. I’m just donating it out of the open goodness of my heart?

[1:07:35] Robert

You know, it’s such an interesting – because I think you nailed it just now. That place of guilt and shame is what actually creates a lot of reflections.

[1:07:46] Sahara


[1:07:47] Robert

Again, I don’t believe it’s, the world’s a difficult place because people hate each other, because they hate themselves. And also, it’s not the sin, it’s the shame that accumulates and creates the density.

Lots of people I know are like “Gosh, this place (especially during Covid), how do we escape planet Earth, this place is like a freaking…”, and then I saw the memes, where, like, there were aliens, the memes, and they’re, like, sitting down with popcorn and like “Have you seen the last episode of Earth? Man, this shit is getting crazy!”, right, type of thing, and everyone was talking to me like “How do we escape this place?”, I’m like “Newsflash, I think that there’s no escape. I think the only way we transcend is by falling in love with it and realizing that it’s all divine purpose”.

[1:08:29] Sahara

Yeah. And the only way that we can ascend is to descend, is to actually go deeper into it.

[1:08:35] Robert

And that’s shadow integration, and realize that that shadow is us, and we start seeing everyone around us with a different degree of empathy.

[1:08:45] Sahara

And I think it’s easier for us to get this in our own personal lives where it’s hard, like, these global issues of like, what’s happening in Iran, deforestation, that we’re like “Well, how did I create that reality?”, but it’s like, actually a lot of people’s shared karma has created these things.

[1:09:03] Robert

Yes, I think that’s exactly right, the guilt that people have at a generational level.

[1:09:09] Sahara


[1:09:10] Robert

For success, I think that’s what the United States is going through a lot of right now.

[1:09:13] Sahara


[1:09:15] Robert

It’s like, I’ve been to dinners with people and they’re like “How can you eat this food right now? Like, how can you literally sit here and realize that there are people dying all over the world?”, and that’s what I mean by that attachment. You still need to be able to realize that this world and this life can be a blissful experience, but if you’re carrying a lot of shame and guilt for your life, for your success, for your abundance, for all these things, you’re likely only going to end up reflecting more of that negativity in that world around you.

[1:09:44] Sahara

Right, because your suffering doesn’t help the cause.

[1:09:47] Robert

Not at all. And you being, what I would call a closet narcissist…

Right, so, people tend to think narcissism is this terrible thing, I actually think narcissism is the doorway to higher spirituality. What do I mean by that? Because things become so extreme that you look in the mirror and you’re like “What is going on? You finally see the highlight of all the patterns”.

[1:10:12] Sahara

As a narcissist?

[1:10:13] Robert

As a narcissist. 

[1:10:13] Sahara

How so?

[1:10:14] Robert

A narcissist will actually go and notice that “Wait a minute, I thought I was so good”, but actually, they’ll just start seeing, just like the arrogant becomes the humble, or the humble becomes arrogant. 

I know people who claim to be so humble, they become arrogant in their humility, it happens. It happens through the cycle. At the tail end of narcissism, is when a lot people go through their spiritual awakenings, they realize they hit rock bottom, and they’re like “Wait a minute…”

[1:10:44] Sahara

So, how narcissist do they have to get?

[1:10:46] Robert

Right? I know, like, okay, it’s like the…

[1:10:49] Sahara

Like, I’m pretty sure my dad’s, like, 70 and still has it in him, yeah. 

[1:10:54] Robert

When’s this going to happen now, finally, right? It’s like “I’ve been waiting a long time”. So, but no, I found that a lot of people who go through spiritual awakenings have gone through this pathway of narcissism, they get to the end of it and they’re like “This doesn’t work anymore”.

[1:11:08] Sahara

Well, yeah, I mean, I think, maybe it’s like a self-focus instead of narcissism, or do you think it’s an actual narcissism?

[1:11:13] Robert

No, I think it’s actual narcissism. What happens is, they get so far, they have a crisis that what they thought was their world is now dramatically not their world. And they’re so detached from reality that they don’t even realize that it was like that all along, but they were just going through this pathway. So, it’s through – I think consciousness puts us in these circumstances all the way to the tail end of narcissism so that we will snap and break.

[1:11:44] Sahara

But what makes some people wake up and not others?

[1:11:47] Robert

Well, I mean, when I say narcissism, let’s say, let’s go back to the analogy of the block of cheese. So, a true narcissist will say they don’t really love themselves, you realize this? Narcissists hate themselves, that’s that I mean by problem in the world, is, people hate themselves, right? So, what happened is, is that, to be good enough, they cut off all these aspects of themselves that they thought didn’t fit their narrative, they fall in love with the reflection of what they thought they’re projecting, not actually who they are. 

And so, as they cut parts of themselves off, they’re judging everyone around them in that negative light also, “Oh, I’m cutting this part of my personality off”, so, for me, it was like, stop being a musician, and I was like “Musicians are beat necks and I don’t want to be like this guy who doesn’t get anything done. I’m going to be solid, contributor to society”, so, then, all my musician friends, I’m like “Ah, I’m not going to hang out with you anymore”, that was a narcissistic act because I decided this is the persona I want to project, that’s not consistent with that persona, so those people are out, right, ghost, done!” And you start doing that over, and over, and over again, until finally, you’re always seeking perfection because you can never see it.

[1:13:05] Sahara

But what makes some people realize this and not others? Because some people just die like that.

[1:13:10] Robert

I think – first of all, I love that, I love the despair of your comment right there, “Some people just die like that”.

[1:13:18] Sahara

Well, just awakening in general, it’s like some people awaken in this lifetime and other people just don’t, and it’s like, is that part of their soul plan? Is that they have right, the pattern is just further away, is it their younger souls, they don’t have enough lifetime experiences here?

[1:13:35] Robert

It could be any of the above, and it could also just be the path that was chosen for them, and that they likewise chose.

So, you think about this arch of life, you know, it’s hard to know when someone is going to make their flip and be like “I’m aware now, I’m going to, now, turn my world to a world of love”. But my experience has been that it’s often through that doorway of narcissism.

And I think, collectively, that’s true as well, that we are that precipice right now.

[1:14:04] Sahara

And even hyper co-dependency can be narcissism too.

[1:14:08] Robert

Yeah, and, so, that’s where I was going in the beginning, which is, there is another type of narcissism as well. So, there’s sort of an over-narcissism…

[1:14:17] Sahara    

Which tends to be the shadow – the over-narcissism tends to be the shadow of the masculine, I find.

[1:14:21] Robert

Yes, yes.

[1:14:22] Sahara

And co-dependency of the feminine.

[1:14:24] Robert

Yes. And then, there’s covert narcissism.

[1:14:26] Sahara


[1:14:28] Robert

So, how would you define covert narcissism?

[1:14:30] Sahara

Well, they’re better at hiding it, they may come off as charismatic, they may, you know, have some form of caring about people, again, but if it ultimately benefits them, maybe they go behind people’s backs in their narcissistic ways. And it’s often just in the subconscious, I don’t think most people – most people who are narcissists, if you ever call them that, will actually completely deny that.

[1:14:52] Robert

Oh yeah, 100%.

[1:14:54] Sahara


[1:14:54] Robert

That’s the whole point. They don’t think that their shadow even exists, right? They’re not willing to see the negative aspects, and by the way, they’re the only one who can’t see that, everyone else can. That’s why, in the business world, we have something called a 360° review, where you actually interview all these other people and say “What’s it like working with this person?”, and then you can get a full viewpoint on whether that person is at one with themselves, at ease by being who they are, or trying to put on airs, always trying to prove something.

And we all know, that’s definitely a characteristic and trait of narcissism because they’ll never be able to, they’ve got a cut that can never be filled, right, because they’ve cut off so much of themselves that really, they’re just trying to prove to themselves that they’re okay.

So, all these different emanations, all these different experiences that we all go through, they’re all here for us to experience, to learn, to grow, to expand the Akashic, right. We’re no different in that sense than the universal one, ourselves. We’re here to learn, and grow, and expand, and we learn through opposites.

[1:16:03] Sahara


[1:16:04] Robert

We learn through like, I just gave you an example of betrayal, if we’re going to learn unconditional love. 

And one of the things I love about music is that music has this characteristic. I was asked by Donald Hoffman, who’s a very well-known psychologist, who does mathematical mapping of our thoughts, it’s kind of cool.

So, he comes to my office with another mathematician and he says “What are your thoughts on how to mathematically map emotions?”, and I was like “Hmm, let me get back to you on that one”. So, how would you put an equation to an emotion? Is it even possible? 

When I was flying to Salzburg, at the beginning of January, business trip there, one of the music capitals of the world, and I was thinking about music and I thought “Well, if there’s anything that can bring on and induce certain emotive states, it’s music”. So, I started thinking, well, music is just, you know, like the geometry we experience with our ears, and geometry is math. So, I started thinking, what are the states that induce certain emotive responses. 

And when you watch Star Wars, they play that [sound], that’s a diminish 5th, it’s a musical interval, right? And that musical interval has a mathematical ratio embedded within it, and they’re very set mathematical ratios. So, then I started thinking, okay, is there any correlation between emotive states directly and mathematical interval related to music. It turns out there was. So, I looked it up, I found it on the research pages and stuff online, while I was on the airplane. And what I found is that certain musical intervals cause you to feel love and happiness. And then, their inverse relationships, of those musical intervals, cause the oppositive emotive states. 

So, 3 over 2 is what’s called a perfect 5th, right? And you could go on a C-note, on a piano keyboard, up to a G-note, that would be a perfect 5th. But then, if I took the higher C, one octave up, that I play it backwards, down to a G, so, that becomes descending, right, then that is going to end up becoming a perfect 4th. So, a perfect 5th and perfect 4th are unique in that there’s no negative, there’s no polarity flip, that’s why they call it perfect. Its inverse is still beautiful and sounds like stability and love and all these cool good things, friendship and whatnot. 

If you do the same thing with a major 3rd, which would be like [sound], right, I play the major 3rd, that’s sounds like love to people, and that’s what people report it, like, their emotive response was love. And then, when you play the higher note C, down to the E, which is the exact same notes, just in different order, and one octave difference, that sounds like heartbreak. 

So, you start to realize that time, and music also has this relationship, because motion and emotion are interrelated, and you realize that “What I’m experiencing in the experience of love, has within it the seat of heartbreak”, that everything we experience can be broken down into these 13 musical intervals and that they are absolutely mathematical relationships. The major 3rd is 5 and 4; the perfect 5th is 3 over 2; the perfect 4th is 4 over 3, they’re perfect fractional relationships that are purely mathematical. So, what we thought was nameless and faceless in mathematics, is actually the foundational basis of how we feel.

[1:19:53] Sahara

And it just shows that with the start of every love, you are also starting a heartbreak.

[1:20:00] Robert

Yeah, exactly. And isn’t there something, kind of, beautiful in that? 

[1:20:06] Sahara

When you’re aware of it, then you’re not living in fantasy and projection anymore, that you know “The deeper I love, the deeper the inevitable heartbreak”.

[1:20:15] Robert

Yes, and that’s like, wow! And now, I realized why I was always a sucker for movies with this unrequited love at the end, like, this love that wasn’t allowed to be expressed or, like, one of them dies right when they’re at the point when they’re going to have their happy ever after, it ends.

[1:20:39] Sahara

Damn, you liked those movies? Those stress me out, no, I’m like “Please, just fall in love and be together forever”. But yeah, it’s a completion cycle.

[1:20:48] Robert

Yeah, something…

[1:20:49] Sahara

That’s the reality of it because, eventually, we’re going to die.

[1:20:52] Robert

Yeah. So, I loved the movie Out of Africa, with Robert Redford and Meryl Streep, and she was waiting for him, he was going to come pick her up at the end, they’re finally going to be together and then his plane crashes. And I’ve watched that movie like a hundred times, probably, and I’m, like, trying to understand why this happened this way. Of course, it’s an adaptation of a true story, but… The English Patient is another example where Ralph Fiennes is in love with, I can’t remember the actresses name, and he has to leave her in this cave, and then he gets caught by the Nazis and he can’t get back to her to save her, and she’s dying in this cave. And there’s this whole feeling of like “Ugh!” And I can think of so many romantic movies like that.

[1:21:35] Sahara

The Notebook.

[1:21:36] Robert

The Notebook, yeah! Where we fall in love with this idea and really, as you said, in our experience of love, and bliss, and joy, is already waiting, within it, to experience the heartbreak, and we can’t have the love and experience, the joy and the bliss, without knowing that the heartbreak is also there, and to look at it in the context that “Gosh, it would be great if we could just cut off that part”.

[1:22:04] Sahara

Right. And people try – “I’m in a situationship”, and they try to separate love and intimacy, and all these ways to protect the heart. But then you’re not really living.

[1:22:14] Robert

But then you’re not really living, right! So, it’s like, it’s the same thing with how we look at light. We could say “Oh, I love the sunlight, it’s so beautiful, and I don’t like the dark”. People all think that darkness is the absence of light. What if I told you darkness is just the opposite condition of light? It’s about absorption. 

This table is black, it’s got bits of it that are white, it’s absorbing every color, right? And that’s why we’re seeing the parts that are white, and it’s absorbing – so, when we see the reflection of this, all we’re seeing is, the table is black. Well, it’s not really black, its absorption is white that’s why it’s absorbing every color, it’s reflecting black. One doesn’t exist without the other. 

We cannot have love and bliss without the experience of heartbreak. The two are interrelated.

[1:23:15] Sahara

We cannot have joy without suffering.

[1:23:19] Robert

So, that’s how we learn through the opposites. You cannot understand pleasure without understanding and experiencing pain.

We’re in an experiential spiritual life simulation where we are here to learn through the negative aspects, through the opposite terms, the principles that would be the reflected opposite of those things. And when you finally realize that’s the context, you might as well just go for it. 

[1:23:52] Sahara

And when you stop resisting it, you actually are able to bounce to the opposite spectrum with a lot more ease.

[1:23:58] Robert

Absolutely, and it makes life beautiful. Then, you realize the darkness is as beautiful as the light. 

When I have a bad circumstance happen to me, I realize that in the seat of that difficult experience, is the transmutation of exaltation.

[1:24:17] Sahara

Yeah, it’s the preparation ground, it’s the soil. Without the soil, there is no flower. 

[1:24:24] Robert

Yeah. One of my favorite quotes, I used to live in Korea, and there’s a Korean souktam, it’s like a proverb (I speak Korean), and it goes [1:24:33 – illegible], which means “As the rice grows up…”, rice will grow in these fields that are, like, full of water, type thing, I used to live in a rice field, “As the rice grows up, it will bow its head”. As we learn through all of our experiences and difficulties, sometimes we feel life beats us down, but actually, in that experience of the challenge and the difficulty, is the greatest benefit of growth and learning. And that’s where we can take it with gratitude, humility and love. And then realize that the only way to be, is your most authentic self, because that’s why you exist. The most valuable thing in the Universe, to me, is you, it’s your individuality, it’s your ability to see the world as you see it, and you’re meant to be your own individual self, just as you are. 

When we start seeing the world around us as beautiful and perfect, just as it is, everything shifts, your experiences, everything shifts, the things that come into your field, the things you see…

So, one of the things I highly recommend is, stop watching the news. I’ve totally stopped, I don’t miss it. I don’t feel like I have no clue what’s going on. I don’t want certain things to come into my field, per say, that would then immediately trigger me. So, I’ve almost just gone to a detox level of news. And I have to say it’s been freaking amazing. 

[1:26:16] Sahara

Detox level of people, Instagrams, I think it’s important to be discerning of what we’re letting into our energetic field because, then, instead of being in our creator consciousness, we end up just becoming victims of whatever this media, or person, or agenda, has chosen for us.

[1:26:32] Robert

That’s right. And by living this way, it helps me, at least, to live an empowered life, that I’m the director, I’m the actor, I’m the scriptwriter, I’m the whole thing, for my life.

[1:26:48] Sahara


[1:26:49] Robert

You know, one of my favorite poems is one by Willian Ernest Henley, and I was in New York a few months ago, I spoke to the United Nations. I got up and, I mean, I didn’t know what I was going to say to the United Nations, but I told everyone the Government was corrupt, which was fun, enjoyed that. No one said anything, that was the crazy part, I was expecting “Wait, what?”!

[1:27:10] Sahara

“We’re not supposed to talk about that out loud”.

[1:27:12] Robert

We’re not supposed to talk about that out loud, and I’m like, everyone came up to me, I got a standing ovation, it was pretty funny.

But I went to this cool place that was like, they had this Gatsby event, it was this really nice place, and it was an old bank that had been converted. And in one of the rooms, they had kind of like a bar in there, they had craps tables, you know, like gambling and all that. And on the wall, up on the ceiling, was a, you know, it was basically put in, in brass, the words of this poem by Willian Ernest Henley, it was written in 1875, it goes “Out of the night, it covers me. Black is the pit, from pole to pole. I thank whatever Gods may be, for my unconquerable soul. In the fell clutch of circumstance, I have not winced nor cried out loud, under the bludgeonings of chance, my head is bloody, yet unbowed. Beyond this place of wrath and tears, looms but the horror of the shade, and yet, the menace of the years finds, and shall find me, unafraid. It matters not how straight the gate, how charged with punishments the scroll. I am the master of my fate, I’m a captain of my soul.” That is life. It doesn’t matter the difficulties that we face, in the end, we all die. It doesn’t matter how we die, ultimately. There have been millions and billions of people that have died before you, there will be many that will die after, but there’s no such thing as real death, I’m convinced of that. The spirit lives on and experiences through repetition cycles over, and over, and over again. It doesn’t matter how we die, but it really does matter how we live. What matters is how we take these experiences in this life, in this world, and how we can transmute it to love, that’s the philosopher’s stone. Transmute all of the lead of our experiences, which is really all of that shame and guilt we accumulate over time, into something that is this beautiful, highest form iteration of this alchemical metal, which transforms into gold. And that gold, actually, is just a representation of our own spirit, finding its divinity and realizing that you are what you’ve been looking for all along. 

[1:29:43] Sahara

Beautifully said. Thank you so much for sharing your wisdom with us today, that poem and all the transmissions, it really landed. And I know people, as they relisten to this episode again, it will be deeper layers.

So, thank you so much! And where can listeners connect with you and read your books?

[1:30:02] Robert

Yes. So, “Philomath” is one of my books, I have another book, recently, that’s came out, that’s called “Polymath”, so, that just means many learnings. It’s about learning brain hemi sync. So, hemisphere synchronization is a key aspect to higher states of awareness (critical), and part of the way you have to do that is learn how to balance your brain through exercising all the different aspects of it.

So, if you want to get better at physics, get good at art and music; if you want to get better at math, then dive deeper into geometry, right, which is the artistic form of it. So, you can learn through the opposites, it’s the same thing. The way the world is set up, the more we are into hyper specialization, which is a big challenge in the world, the more we find ourselves into narcissistic behaviors because we cannot see different perspectives. And maybe truth, if there is a total objective truth, would be the sum of all possible perspectives. 

So, my most recent book that’s just now come out, it’s on Amazon, it’s called “Neuromined”, I wrote it with another fellow by the name of Michael Ashley, and it’s about our whole digital individuation. So, actually, that could’ve been another name for the book too, digital individuation, because our individuality is such a core aspect of this Universe and how do we protect that individuality and allow it to exist and coexist with this somewhat dystopian world at times, is what that book is about.

And I’m on Instagram @robertedwardgrant and then you can find my website, also robertedwardgrant.com and that will pretty much direct you to all the other stuff. We didn’t talk about Egypt, we didn’t talk about all kinds of other stuff.

[1:31:45] Sahara

Next time.

[1:31:45] Robert

But next time, I’ll be happy to.

[1:31:47] Sahara


[1:31:47] Robert

But thank you for all your doing to raise consciousness, you’ve been doing it for quite some time. And despite the challenges you faced, you’re here, and so, I celebrate that. 

[1:32:01] Sahara

Thank you so much for this conversation today.

[1:32:03] Robert

Thank you.


[1:32:05] Sahara

Oh, my Goddess! My mind is blown from that conversation! Wow! Such potent codes that he shared with us, this is one you’re going to want to keep listening to because there’s so much depth here.

[1:32:18] Sahara

So, I hope you loved this conversation, if it resonated with you, please share it on social media, that’s how we raise universal consciousness together. And as a free gift for leaving a review for the Podcast, I would love to send you my Womb Meditation. So, this is a meditation you can do to connect more to your feminine energy and actually your womb space, whether you have a physical womb or not, we’re all connected to womb energy. And this meditation will allow you to ask questions to your womb and hear her answers. So, all you’ve got to do is head over to the Apple Store where you’re listening to this Podcast, leave a review and take a screenshot, and email it over to me at [email protected] you can also find that link in the show notes. 

[1:32:59] Sahara

And be sure to join my Pain To Purpose series, to learn more about how to turn your mess into your message and create a career for yourself as a Certified Soul Purpose and Spiritual Life Coach at the Dharma Coaching Institute. 

Again, you can find all of that in the show notes, and I’m so excited and grateful to have you here. Namaste!                      

Episode#496: Noticing Signs? The Science Behind Synchronicities and How It’s All Connected with Robert Grant
By Sahara Rose

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