Sahara Rose · 359: The Science of Manifestation with Lacy Phillips

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Episode 359: The Science of Manifestation with Lacy Phillips

By Sahara Rose

[00:12]
Namaste. It’s Sahara Rose and welcome back to The Highest Self Podcast, a place where we discuss what makes You, Your Soul’s Highest Evolvement.

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I hope you are having a beautiful week! I am so grateful to have you here! If it’s your first time listening – welcome! My name is Sahara, I am an ancient soul in a modern body; best-selling author; host of this Podcast, which is listed as the Number 1 Spirituality Podcast on iTunes. I am so grateful for all of your reviews, we have over 4000 5-star reviews at this point, which is just so mind-boggling to me because I started this Podcast because I wanted to listen to this type of podcast. I was looking for a spiritual podcast that was relatable and modern and fun and diverse, and just went deeper than, you know, the crystals and the rainbows and all these things that are beautiful, but spirituality is so much more. And over the past, almost 4 years, this Podcast has grown so much but also really stayed true to how it’s been. When I look back at my first Episodes, it’s really the same as now and so many people say “Oh my God, if I look back at my first episode I laugh”, but I look back on my first Episode and I’m like “Wow! I was channeling some shit that I was not even aware of” and I’m still using my same $20 microphone from Amazon that I’m using today.

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So, I share this because I think we put so much pressure on ourselves and we think that success is this far away thing or “I’m going to need to change and all of these are going to need to shift”, but it really is just you beginning where you are and realizing that the wisdom that you have right now is enough, and that wherever you are in your journey is still further along on someone else’s journey in that area of their life. So, if you are feeling the call to share – share.

[02:10]
So, I have personally been manifesting but also beyond manifesting, so much. So, the word manifestation, it’s such a buzz word right now and it’s really the spiritual practice to become in alignment with the things that we desire.

[02:28]
So, I feel like often times we think of manifestation in this really materialistic lens that “I want a Ferrari so I’m going to put it on my vision board. And if I’m worthy of a Ferrari, it’s going to show up at my door” or “I want $1 million, so I’m going to spend money like a millionaire and that will show the universe that I’m worthy of it and then I’ll have $1 million”. If you’ve noticed in movies like The Secret or just an overall manifestation space, it’s very material-focused. Again, material possessions can be wonderful to have but it’s not the full picture. And the truth is, we get to a place in our spiritual journeys that we go beyond it, we realize that none of those things actually matter. They can be fun toys but they’re really just illusions from the greater truth of who we are. And when we go beyond, I think what is beyond manifestation, and to me that’s a place of pure acceptance. Pure acceptance with what life has already provided me. And I think what can happen so much when we enter the spiritual space for this concept of manifestation, is we’re using spiritual principles to continue our very same egoic patterns of “I want a boyfriend”, “I want this penthouse apartment”, “I want this thing; I want that thing, so I heard spirituality is the way to get it so I’ll be spiritual so I can get those things”, and that’s not really what spirituality is about.

[04:00]
So, I really love to go beyond that because if we’re just using spirituality as a cheap way to get things, we’re missing the whole plot. So, I really like to go beyond that and always interview guests who are questioning and are deepening our understandings of things and that’s why I’m so excited to have Lacy Phillips on the Podcast today because she is a manifestation expert, but unlike any other because she really goes into neuroscience; she looks at why are we not manifesting the things that we want and how it has to do with our deeper subconscious state. And I love this so much because it really merges science and psychology with spirituality, and I feel like so many of us, we believe that they’re juxtaposed. That you could either be scientific or spiritual but they really are one and the same. If you look at ancient Vedic texts, the Veda, the word Veda, means the knowledge of life. It was a spiritual science; spirituality and science were always one and that’s what Ayurveda and all of these concepts – yoga, yoga is a science guys, but today we would be like “Oh, that’s some woo-woo stuff”, but back in those days we recognized spirituality is a scientific process; that our physical reality is literally a calculation of what is happening within ourselves. And we can deepen – there’s just so much beautiful science and mathematics in spirituality, from quantum physics, which I’ve recently done an Episode here on; if you’re into quantum physics and quantum entanglement, be sure to listen to that Episode with Brandon. And I love the work of Deepak Chopra, of course, who really goes into science and spirituality as well as Dr Joe Dispenza; these are really, really great people with incredible books and resources if you’re interested in going deeper into this. And Lacy really echoes a lot of the same understandings that, especially Joe Dispenza’s speaks about, that our brains are creating the stimulation of our reality. So, the very things that we believe are possible for us, will be possible for us, and if we believe something is impossible for us, it won’t be possible for us.

[06:21]
So, in this conversation we really dive deep into what manifestation is and her concept of ‘Neural Manifestation’ which goes beyond the way manifestation is taught and blends it with neuroscience and psychology.

[06:37]
So, without further ado, let’s welcome Lacy Phillips to The Highest Self Podcast.
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[08:44] Interview

[08:44] Sahara
Welcome Lacy to The Highest Self Podcast, it’s so great to have you here.

[08:48] Lacy
Thank you! It’s been such a long time in the making, I feel. We’ve been trampling so I feel this is the perfect time, so thank you for having me.

[08:57] Sahara
Yes! Such divine timing right now, it’s so needed, people are really wanting to start off 2021 in a way that feels empowered and aligned, and creating the things that they really want in their reality, so I’m excited to dive into all of this. But the first question I have for you is what makes you your highest self?

[09:14] Lacy
Alone time. It’s that simple for me. The way that I’m created and my constitution in general, there’s nothing for me like being entirely alone, even if it’s for an hour. I can reconnect and really tap into that highest self. So it’s not like all the adaptogens and the things (and the whatevers), all of that is beautiful support, but for me, the foundational core is alone time; oneness; getting back to self.

[09:40] Sahara
Is that, do you think that’s a part of your human design? Is that being a Projector or just a way you were raised?

[09:49] Lacy
I think it has to do with all of the systems. Even Aquarius, Sun, a lot of my chart is actually very aloneness, from the Aries to the Scorpios and stuff like that; or Human Design; or even, I went to see this amazing facialist that Krista works with, I won’t even drop her name because she has a 5-year wait list and literally cannot take one other person, but she reads faces and it’s based on the old, traditional, TCM version of reading and she was like “You’re a triple metal”, even being pregnant right now, she’s like “It’s going to be so vital for you that you have, on your property in Topanga, that you have another structure, that’s your office, that you can literally leave the baby in your house with your partner or if you have a caretaker, and literally go seek that alone time, and I’m like “Well, you’re getting this correct so far”. So, I think all of the systems reflect that for me.

[10:41] Sahara
I love that! And it’s so amazing because the more we learn about these different systems that, you know, we’ll talk about how it could be overwhelming, and it puts down different pieces of the puzzle of “Hey, I’m seeing these two things are telling me the same thing” and then deeper to that, your own intuition is guiding you to feel it.

[10:59] Lacy
Love it! Agreed! 100%! My theory with them because even what I teach, a big part of it is, if you’re going to work with future projectors, like psychics, take everything with a grain of salt because we really do create our own reality and those can create blocks. I have a great example of a Sikh man who walked up to me on the street when I think I was maybe 21 and he read my palm, and it was for free, it was, kind of not snake oil, but he just grabbed my palm and was looking for money after. And he was pretty accurate about a lot of things, he was like “This is how many siblings you have; Your mom had this miscarriage”, it was very accurate, but in it he went “You’ll always be poor, your whole life”, and I went “Oh my God”, which was my biggest core wound, and I was like “Holy shit” and that’s obviously, absolutely not true, whatsoever, and so, that’s where I always say, with systems, with everything, with future projectors, it’s really important to keep what resonates, let it guide you but really let it go. You know, even in our community, we have this whole thing because a Human Design woman that we work with often, really talked about specific and non-specific manifesting; you can see that in your chart. But it’s actually interesting, we ran a whole thing on it with our community and it actually didn’t make that big of a difference when we looked at the non-specifics, who cast their list, as long as they’re getting down to the true core essence of why they want what they want. So, not from ego; really rooting it down to the very, very core – so, say I’m calling in – here’s a great example that I give and it’s honestly very superficial in a way but I think a lot of people can grasp it – one woman, who’s now out TBM Coach, when I first started working with her, she was calling in a British guy with red hair (even though that’s very specific), so I’m like “Cool if you’re calling in that partnership, but why? Let’s do the work on that”, and when she really did the work and dug down, she was like “Wow, I have this imprintation that British guys with red hair have a great sense of humor”, I’m like “Bam, that’s the core essence of what you’re asking for in that person”. So, when you get down to that core essence and you also get down to the feeling that you’re wanting to create, for the non-specifics, that’s enough and that’s actually very specific. So, it’s like a girl that used to be on our team, her name is Layla, she actually creates lists like that that are very specific, based on those core wants and how it feels, and it works great for them. So, that’s another really good example, don’t let systems or things you take in or whatever, really imprint the way that you’re functioning. Let your intuition be your main compass and let those just be supportive. That’s how I look at all of that.

[13:35] Sahara
You know, you read my mind because today, that is exactly what I was thinking about. In my Human Design, based off of, and guys, we can put in the show notes how you can look but it’s a certain area in your Human Design chart, but mine is facing the non-specific, so I’m like “Should I not do the list, should I not vision board or should I kind of surrender and let it happen” but then the question is then “Well, then how does the Universe know what you want” and then the other question is “Well, shouldn’t the Universe know, it created me?!”

[14:03] Lacy
Yeah, well you’re just an extension of the Universe, that’s it.

[14:07] Sahara
So, what is your thought on how specific to get and how much should we surrender to the divine plan?

[14:13] Lacy
You know, it’s really interesting. So, when I look at Layla’s journey (which is really great) there would be times where, for instance, she would think, and something this small, very small and subtle and material, she would think “Oh, I’m really, really wanting a blue down coat for the holidays” and then out of nowhere, I would gift her one, it would be something that I was just clearing out my closet. So, she was specific in that sense. And even, there was a point where I was talking to Jenna and Darrah and you know, Jenna teaches on the non-specific and specifics, and she gave the example that when it came time to move from London, she just threw out to the Universe, she was like “I just want it to be warm, I want there to be a beach, you choose”. So, I think, again, getting down to the core essence – why do you want the warmth and the beach? What’s down there? And maybe her constitution, it really thrives in the sun and warmth and that makes her, her highest self. So that and how it feels when she’s there, it’s cozy and I’m healthy and I’m at balance. So that’s really the way that I approach if you’re non-specific, and our community does and they have tremendous results with it. And getting to the vision board aspect, I am a really big list creator, just from a psychology, neuroscience place, which we have a lot of podcast episodes on, with our psychiatrists, neuroscientists, advisor, that’s on our team, and basically, she’s actually a proponent of vision board. She calls them something else, I forget what she calls them. When I started to learn very early on is that for me, vision boards could be a little confusing when communicating to the Universe because it’s really great to have them when you’re calling in multiples – so an example of that is an exact car. So, if you’re calling in this type, this model of car, it’s silver and it’s an Audi, it’s a hatchback or whatever, there are multiples of those, but for your brain, the first processor of your brain is your eye; your retina is going through and communicating to your brain. If you’re cutting out pictures of two people holding hands on a beach, that doesn’t resemble you, your self-worth isn’t in alignment with it, meaning that your subconscious brain doesn’t even believe that’s possible, on a vision board it’s a lot less effective than if you’re going through and creating your list in the way that we teach you to do it; and getting down to, again, the core needs, wants, how does it feel, that can be much more specific and identifying to your retina, to your brain to go “Oh, that’s what I want, it’s not technically that picture”. So, if you’re a vision-boarder, great, super-awesome for multiples, but again, and the more you manifest and especially through this process, you stop really casting lists at a certain point because you become conscious of what you want; you cast it. Your subconscious worth is already high enough for it, you have space for it from expansion so you tend to connect with it very easily.
So, for me, I often, don’t even make lists anymore, but in the beginning, when you have that low self-worth (and we’ll get into all of that stuff) it’s actually really good to do the work to get down to the root of what you want rather than – some people will come to manifestation and be like “I want all the things that fill my core wounds from the outside in, like a yacht or a house in Malibu”, I’m being so superficial with that but a lot of people will ask for these things that are egoic. And I’m actually a really big proponent, I don’t think that wanting material things because we are material beings in the material plain, it’s actually fine to want whatever we want, it’s just if we’re getting down to the core, authentic, whole, worthy place that’s asking for it and then doing the work to unload all the programming and conditioning that’s asking for us to want those things that maybe are just going to please our parents, society, all the programming we’re received that if we get those, we’ll be loved.

[17:58] Sahara
So well said, thank you so much for that. And I think that, a lot of times when we’re manifesting, we want “I want a bigger home” or “I want this achievement or recognition” or something like that and there is a tie to the ego. We’re egoic beings, we’re always going to want what’s best for the self. If you don’t have an ego, you’re not going to live on this planet, but then how can we then take the ego out? Let’s say I want to make my book a best-seller, that’s genuinely something that I want but then I’m like “Well, is it egotistical” and then I’m like “Well, it’s really about the message” but I can’t lie, there’s an element of my ego that wants that acknowledgement for my work. So, how would you go about doing something that, there is some egoic want in it as well and it’s what you believe is best for the whole.

[18:47] Lacy
Yeah, great question. So, at the very foundation of everything I teach, when I started to learn, and I’ll give people a little backstory on me, just to have, if you’re tuning in for the first time and don’t know about me – but I come from, what I call the old-school rhetoric manifestation, which is usually spiritual bypass and what that looks like, and that’s not to offend anybody, because I did these things for years, I practiced them, but it’s “The Secret” and the Hick’s books and all that stuff, and there’s a lot of magic in that, after you do the deep diving, that’s where Law of Attraction and all of that gets very magical, when you’ve actually looked at all the things that are blocking you, then it becomes very easy to work in that plain.
So, getting back to that, I started to notice, after practicing that from 17-25, that when I would manifest incredibly kismet things, I mean things down to a partner with long blond surfer hair who’s a photographer and has a Parisian mom, crazy stuff or Silly at 25 stuff or this apartment in the Echo Park Hills that had everything I wanted for $350 a month, crazy things, and never had to do with thinking positive or visualizing or pretending to be already what I want. It had nothing to do with that, in fact they started to come through when I stepped into my worth. And what that means is, I stopped settling for low self-worth behavior. And what low self-worth comes down to is what we imprinted from 0-7 (simple psychology) of where we watched the modelling of our community or our parents or our peers or media, all of the things we were exposed to and they were all communicating to us and we were imprinting in our subconscious mind – which is the limbic brain, it means underneath the brain – we were imprinting places where we had high self-worth and where we had low self-worth. And from that I started to realize “Oh, wow, the Universe, whenever it’s working with me and for me, which it’s always doing, may you be receiving a test or a lesson or what you want, it’s always co-creating with you, but it doesn’t have to do with wanting me to be happy or positive, right?” It was doing; everything it was doing in order to get me back to my whole, authentic, worthy self I came into the planet as at birth. And I think we all come, even if we’re believing in past lives, which I do, and going through past life experiences, the moment we’re born, we’re this whole worthy self. And then, from that point on we start to receive programming from all the things I listed and may it be pain, shame, anything like that, they can create blocks. So, I think the Universe’s entire intention is to mirror back to us, throughout our lives, of where we need to unlock to get back to that whole, authentic place.
Now, with that said, I also really believe that everybody has different Karma or Dharma on this path. And so, for me, I really feel, and this is where systems can become validating and fun. So, my North Node for instance is touring, so at this point in my life, I’m very in it, I’m very into my family and designing my home, but all of that is so truly authentic to my whole worthy self, it’s not a validation. So, we have a couple of tools that really help you look at this. So, one that you mentioned before we started recording is called Your Authentic Code and it’s something that you do in the standard How to Manifest Workshop, we make everybody start with, and it’s where you find the four pillars of your authenticness. So, for instance, mine looked like luxury, self-care (luxury can just mean quality), but luxury, self-care, legacy (which means everything I teach) and then spirituality. So those are the four core things that are the most important in my life, they are the most truthful to my authentic self. We have this whole series of questions and this hypnosis that you go through to find that. Now I know I have that to filter through, that’s my grounding point, to always come back to self. So, that’s a tool that’s really great for it. And then everything else we teach is basically how to unlock your subconscious through neuroplasticity and psychology in order to get back to that whole worthy self. And it’s so simple to get there because we just have to start watching the things in or life that trigger us. And I like to say, those of us who are recovering positivity people who have done manifestation, who are so afraid to feel anything negative, that they may attract more of that, the biggest thing I want to say to you is feeling your feelings and recognizing when you have those triggers, jealousy, negativity, fear, unworthiness, those are magic. They’re like liquid gold, feel them, embrace them, because you’re going to do the work. They’re the perfect road map to get you down to “Where does that root block live in my subconscious, that memory I picked it up at where I basically took the imprintation that I’m not good enough” and then you get to do the work to change it to being worthy and good enough and begin projecting that out to receive what you want.
So, to me, we have quite a few tools that allow you really get back into that whole worthy authentic self and understand is your Dharma in this lifetime to be a bestseller? It may be, it probably is. You’ve done a lot of work on your ego. So, and again, I love the point that you made, an ego is a very important thing to have in this lifetime, it’s the human experience. If we didn’t have ego, we wouldn’t have fear, we wouldn’t have any sense of pain, so it means we would just go around and we would be killed, we would walk in front of a car. Ego actually saves us a lot of the time to have personal safety. So, I think it’s when you start to learn how to work with the part of you that is your authenticity vs. the part of you that’s still projecting from low self-worth in order to get outside validation to fill you up of what you didn’t have when you were little.

[24:50] Sahara
I love that so much! And something I always say is your dreams are dreaming you back, which is so in alignment with this. If the reason why they are your dreams is because there’s an element of you that knows that you can embody it. So, for example, I am not dreaming about renovating my home in Topanga, that’s not in alignment with me, but it is for you, and you’re not craving this bestselling book because right now you’re focus isn’t even doing that. So, it’s beautiful because that desire is within you for a reason and if you’re not doing the inner work, that desire could come from a core wounded place and then you might do that work and it’s not there anymore and you’re like “Oh, I only really wanted that thing.”
So, do you see sometimes; sometimes I recognize, I go into whatever trauma created my desires. So, for me, immigrant parents, achievement, that is also a part of…

[25:39] Lacy
Iranian culture in general, you’re not a lawyer or a doctor.

[25:44] Sahara
Exactly, so that is how I receive love, was to be good at what I do and I feel like I chose it because it’s part of my Dharma. So, do you sometimes see that sometimes those traumas or triggers actually were part of your plan to help you manifest what it is that you want?

[26:02] Lacy
Always! Because that they give you experience, right? So, like for me, I’m a great example, I was born on a Pluto line, there’s another system (astro-cartography), I was born on that, I chose my teenage parents, I had four different households that were caretakers and the trauma that I received growing up, and again, trauma is a very big spectrum of a word, all it means is that you experienced pain or shame, so people have a big spectrum of what trauma can look like, from abuse down to literally being a highly sensitive being who really experiences things in a very sensitive way. So, I can look at it and so much work now that I can look at everything and be like “Oh my God, if I didn’t have that with my mom who was unavailable at that time or was drinking, I wouldn’t be able to communicate this to the people that have experienced that”. So, everything we go through in life is so vital, I believe it’s so divine and I want to say and I really, we have this throughout our workshops if you’re somebody who has experienced a victim of abuse of any kind. I’m not saying that you were meant to have that, you attracted that, but I am saying, being able to get on the other side of it, to become empowered by it, so healing and addressing and becoming empowered, there will start to be silver linings of how you going through those experiences are basically what show you’re a reflection, this beautiful model and healing to others in order to also go through that. So, absolutely. And then another really cool thing to watch when people do this work because many, coming from old manifestation, teachings, they just want what they want and they’re not actually looking deeper as to why. And you know, when you’re not connecting with it, that’s probably when you’ll find us and start doing this. And looking at the whys, there could be many reasons, you could be blocked, you don’t have space for it or it could be out of this place of trying to have exterior validation, basically feed a wound inside of you. And so, people will come in, they will start this work and then all of a sudden, three months later, they’ll be like “Wow, everything I wanted I don’t want anymore. It’s like a completely different trajectory, I’m like a different person. I’m really touching in with my authentic self”, and now, and I don’t say that to scare you, because I think people listening can also go like “Oh, God, I don’t want to become like this monk in the Himalayas”, that’s not at all the case, people tend to want to still manifest on the material plain but they start to want things that are perfect for them, and you know and it could be an array of things. So, it’s really cool to watch both of those.

[28:39] Sahara
I love that so much and I think it is so important because, yeah, often times, I think when we think of manifestation and I know you were talking about it on your podcast, but on TikTok #manifestation is super, super trending and it’s like “How to get a new outfit from Fashionova” all of these very surface things that it could’ve happened for whatever reason and they’re like “Oh look, I manifested it”. In some ways I’m like “Maybe that’s better than…, maybe that’s their introduction to it” but then you go deeper and deeper into it. So, I’d love, you know, a lot of people listening to this Podcast, Abraham Hicks was their introduction, watching the movie The Secret, doing the positive affirmations, doing maybe tapping, different things like that. And I went to an Abraham Hicks in person and I loved it.

[29:27] Lacy
Totally, she’s channeling and it’s amazing.

[29:30] Sahara
She’s channeling and there were just so many kind of, I did a whole Podcast on all my questions on it. But I think a lot of people, they’re like “I’m worthy of abundance. I’m worthy of abundance” and just saying it, saying it, saying it, but not feeling it. So, can you speak a little bit about your approach to manifestation and the neuroscience, epigenetics, everything that really goes behind just us saying something and not believing it.

[29:54] Lacy
Absolutely! And I again, I really want to give credit to the Abram Hicks model, but the thing like that with a lot of spiritual models is that they tend to be an elevated version of self, that’s when it works for you. What she’s channeling and the information she is getting is correct, from Abraham, it’s really valuable. However, Abraham isn’t in a physical body that’s experienced the physical realm. So, it’s so different when we come in the human experience and then we experience everything we have, no matter who we are. I always would get listeners in the past would be like “I had the perfect childhood” and they start doing the unblocking process and they’re like “Oh shit, but it’s not…”

[30:33] Sahara
That’s like my parents “We have no trauma, nothing bad has ever happened to us”, I’m like “You literally crossed a border to get here” but it’s like this bypass of it.

[30:43] Lacy
Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally, totally. And so, our nervous system doesn’t forget that, right? When that happens, it freezes and our subconscious brain doesn’t forget that because simple psychology – the way that our brain is looping, it’s trying to keep us safe. So that subconscious limbic brain, whenever you experience pain of any kind, or shame of any kind, you literally freeze for survival, you’re like “Oh, whatever happened there, I don’t want that to happen again because I need to survive” whether it be emotionally, physically, whatever, now in our society it’s financially, there’s so many ways.
So, that imprints in our body, it imprints in our brain, it doesn’t go anywhere. Whereas Abraham, who isn’t in a body and who is the highest version of consciousness can drop all these awesome teachings that will help the human race once they get to a place where their nervous system and body is open enough for it.
So, it’s actually really interesting because I am a highly spiritual person but a lot of what we teach is very scientific, you know. And why I think that matters – I had this conversation actually with Krista, a common, dear friend of ours from Almost 30, where I had this thing happen to me, it was like a year and a half ago, where I’m already a very airy person, I’m a very spiritual person but I had this moment where I was like “Oh no, my job is here on 3D with the masses, that’s my work. My work is to get people primed to be able to work with that kind of stuff”. So that’s where, getting back to our core…

[32:19] Sahara
You and Joe Dispenza, I’m seeing a very similar Dharma there.

[32:23] Lacy
Totally! And Joe is highly spiritual.

[32:25] Sahara
He’s like an alien but he brings it down, yeah.

[32:28] Lacy
Totally! And he’s able to, yeah, really, really work in the human experience, human plain. So, he’s in straight up 3D, I’m in straight up 3D, and Krista had a great quote that I loved that she put out the other day because this is so vital. You have a lot of these people who are talking about wanting to go to 5D and 6D, that’s where it’s at (now that’s the hot topic, right?) and she’s like “Yo, why don’t you really master how to ground in 3D before you…” – and it’s like, you can’t – yes, yes, absolutely!
So, getting back to our core philosophies, what I started to learn after practicing all of those models (The Secret, all of that stuff) which for me, I don’t know for others listening, little things would happen, it was kismet for sure but it was never consistent and it was never humongous. And so, I was spending all of this time dog-paddling to try to stay positive and stay in the vortex, not feel my feelings, not express what was really going on with me at the time. And I was like a 25-year-old actress in totally low self-worth who grew up with an alcoholic parent, young divorced parents, I had so much shit to look at that I wasn’t looking at because I thought spiritual bypassing, I didn’t need to. Therefore, nothing huge was happening, I was continually broke, I was a doormat in dating, I was always at shitty jobs and I think a lot of people can identify with that. So I started to notice again at 25 “Wow”. When I said no to the guys who were calling me just to hang out at night and stuff like that and I went “No more”, that’s when I started to manifest things I wanted and I went “Wow, this has nothing to do with positivity, this is everything to do with my self-worth. Where does my lack of self-worth come from?” And that’s what set me on this journey. So, three core philosophies of ours that vary from those are:
1) Thoughts don’t create your reality; your subconscious mind creates your reality.
So, if you think about it, we are so polarizing in our thoughts all day long “I suck”, “I’m great”, it’s all over the place, if we were that powerful, our life would be a shit-show. It’s actually that imprintation from 0-7 that’s mostly looping and determining what we manifest. So, wherever we imprinted that we have high self-worth, so it’s where we solve the reflection back to us that we’re great, we had accolades that we are capable of – those are the things we manifest very simply in our life, which can, again, come from parental modelling, things we picked up in media, everything, our community, teachers, that’s where we’re manifesting easily all the time. The things where we loop on low self-worth, which we call blocks, that’s where we have to unblock those in order to connect with manifestation. So, that’s the very first thing – you don’t manifest from your thoughts like you’re trained to manifest from your subconscious mind, its Psychology, Neuroscience 101.
The second thing is, we were always taught we need to visualize. Visualizing is amazing, there’s so much research in neuroscience that backs that up. However, a great example of me was, when I was actress and waitress at the Lab Factory on Sunset, making $300 a week, I was visualizing my home in Malibu with a sauna and an infinity pool and all the things that would validate my inner wounds. And while doing that, that wasn’t coming, so I really started to notice when I was manifesting really big and kismet things, it was never through visualizing, it was when I had exposure to people who I identified with that now had what I wanted and used to be exactly where I was (we call those expanders). So, for instance, it could be even in this industry. A great example is a dear friend of mine Ashley Niese, this is such a good example of neuroscience and osmosis. Whenever Ashley would get a piece of press and I witnessed “Oh, Ashley got that, I can get that too”, bam they would call me and I would have that press as well – so we call that expansion. So, in your subconscious brain, if you’ve never been exposed to or told that you can have the things you want – so, getting back to me, as a waitress at the Lab Factory, manifesting that home in Malibu, I had never known anybody of that wealth who could afford that, I had never seen anyone like myself at my age who could go out and buy that and how they did it, my brain had never seen how they actually do it, so I had no expansion around it. So, that’s a huge second part, after unblocking, you need to find expanders. You need to find the people that you identify with, that used to be where you are now, but now have, are successful in, our heart is what you want. That’s when your brain can see to believe and have the ‘A-ha’ moment, like “Oh, if they can have it, I can have it too”, that’s creates the space, it opens up the space for your manifestation to come through.

[37:37] Sahara
Do you need to know them in person? If you have them in mid, it’s just to know they exist?

[37:41] Lacy
It’s just to really, and again, you can get them on social media, you can read biographies, watching movies. I actually give this example all the time, when we’re watching TV, we’re in a hypnotic state, right? Our subconscious mind comes forward and our conscious mind goes backward. So, everything we’re taking in while we’re just zoned out watching a movie is basically imprinting that that’s possible for us (good, bad, whatever), and I have a good example of this. My astrologer, back when she was single for 6 years, she had called me one time and she was like “I can feel, Lacy, I’m so close to manifesting my partner, she had been doing all of the work, and she was like “Here’s the deal, I’ve been watching this show that I would normally never watch called Sons of Anarchy” and there was a guy in it and I’ve actually never seen so I forget the character’s name, who is a biker and has long hair and has an accent, and she’s like “I’m having the most soul reaction to him. It’s crazy Lacy, are we supposed to be together?” I mean, she lived in LA, it’s not that crazy that they could meet and be together and I was like “This happens all the time Danny. Probably not, maybe, but probably not, but he is your perfect expander, not only is he showing you what’s possible and that it’s going to happen, as an expander, you’re also, and this is back to one of your original questions, your soul is communicating to you what you want right now, having that visceral of a reaction. Because she had been raised on the Upper East Side, the only men that she had ever dated were like her dad, older, powerful, business, and her soul was communicating “No, I want a young, artistic, kind of rougher guy, that’s what my soul is wanting to experience, my authentic self”. One week later, she goes to Rose café in Venice, she’s standing in line and a guy walks up to her who looks identical to the guy from the show, he has a kiwi accent, long hair, asks her out and now they live together in New Zealand, they’ve been together for years, but that’s a great example of – you can find a great expanders anywhere, literally anywhere.

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[41:03] Sahara
So, what about jealousy in expanders? Because I see that happen, a lot of, you know, I’m sure you get messages, I’ve gotten messages of like “I hated you, I was so triggered by you, I was so jealous of you and then I realized you were my biggest expander” and I’m like “I don’t know what to think”.

[41:21] Lacy
Yeah, like “Thanks Lacy”, where is this coming from?

[41:23] Sahara
But I’ve also felt, you know, before I had written books, I would read these other spiritual books and it was like yeah, almost this feeling of “I could do it better”, you know.
So, how does that, often times they really trigger you so much?

[41:36] Lacy
And we have a great blog post, we have to link to this, called Envy, you can just google ‘To be Magnetic and Envy’, it will come up. And these are your greatest expanders and this is awesome because we all feel this, right? It’s just simple, limbic, human behavior. Whenever you’re having that triggered feeling of envy, and that’s what that is, jealousy is – we’re afraid we’re going to lose something we have. So, when we’re in a partnership and we get jealous that our partner is talking to somebody else, we’re actually fearing that they’ll take that person away from us, so that’s jealousy. Envy is when we look at something that somebody has and we want it, that’s what that is. And so, envy is like magic to work with because when you’re feeling the trigger of envy, first feel all the feelings because all that’s coming up are insecurities that were imprinted from childhood, that are coming up of why you’re not good enough – feel those and then harness the energy because what’s really going on there is you’re witnessing a huge expander. So, basically, this is the best clue, you’re literally seeing this person in real time who has what you want and you’re going “Oh, I can have that too” even if you have all of these other “negative feelings” attached to it, they are showing; they are literally little clues from your soul that are like “I can have what they have” may it be a relationship, career, whatever the thing is. So, you actually want to work with that energy and in that blog post we teach you how to journal it out and what to do and how to use that for expanders. So now you can have a breath of fresh air anytime you’re like “Agh, I’m not an envious bitch” I’m actually just somebody who a) needs to work through the feelings attached to of why I don’t think I’m not good enough to have that and be so grateful that I’m witnessing a great expander in front of me”. And they really work with your brain, when you start to reframe it, your brain has that ‘A-ha, I can have this too” and opens up that space for your manifestation. That’s huge!

[43:32] Sahara
I love that because we often judge ourselves when we feel that way. So, if you are finding someone who is creating this envy in you but you know it’s an expansion, should you continue to consume their content or should you try to back away to find your own authentic code? Because sometimes I see people then regurgitate or show up or try to dress and I’m sure you’ve, I’m a 100% sure you’ve had this, of like “Lacy is really living her Dharma and is such an expander for me and so I’m going to do exactly what she does and become obsessed with her because I want to be her?”

[44:05] Lacy
Yes, those are the people that usually end up loving me and then hating me after a while, I get this all the time, because then they get fed up of why it’s not working for them and then they’re like “Ugh, her technique” and it’s just shadow. But this is actually a really great question.
So, such a big part of manifestation is it all comes down to authentic whole worthiness. That’s all of this work – is to get back to that; and what’s meant for us will always be meant for us, no matter what. So, when we go and we try to replicate what somebody else is doing because we’re so a) inspired by it or whatever, we think that that’s what we want. Maybe you’ll have a little success but no matter what this is, dressing, career, dating, I don’t care what it is, but it’ll never be the magnetism that will create the flow in your life, ever, ever, and that’s why you’ll get resentful and angry and upset and mad at the person because you’ll be like “I’m over that!” The key is, when you witness this envy and an expander, and that’s the work that I teach you inside of that blog post, you’re getting down to what about them is expanding you to the core essence? Is it, for instance, when somebody’s seeing you, they’re like “Is it Sahara’s freedom, she has this freedom” or “Is it that she’s so skilled and she has the system of Ayurveda that’s like a modern way to express to the modern community these old, ancient teachings?” There’s a system aspect about that. What’s my system? What does freedom really mean for me? So, it has actually nothing to do with all the things that the person’s doing or dressing or the stuff that lights you up about them, it’s actually witnessing and getting to the core anchors of what about them are you so inspired by, may it be aspects like I just listed, and getting down to what is that for you and running in that direction. So, that’s a huge key because, honestly, you’ll hear me talk about, in this work, a gazillion time – authenticity – that is your most magnetic flow you can be in. When you get into – I always give this analogy – my dad is a roper cowboy and so, when I was little, when he was teaching me how to ride on the horse because they’re so sensitive to energy, he would say “Lacy, melt like butter in your saddle, you need to take control, you need to take your power back in this horse”, that exact space of really sitting in and taking your power back, being in your authenticity – that’s magnetism. That is what, when they’re telling you “Always be in the vortex”, that’s the vortex, that’s literally the vortex. So, that’s what you’re trying to get to, is that authentic, whole, worthy, powerful place that’s just like owning it, that’s where you’re going to get that.

[46:52] Sahara
I love that so much! And knowing what it feels like for you, that body feeling, because I’m seeing a lot of people, there’s this big movement now of what does this feel like somatically in my body, how can my body have that experience? So, how can we move from then the thought, the subconscious, to the embodiment of it?

[47:12] Lacy
I’m actually an interesting case because I know a lot about somatic healing and in fact, even within our hypnosis process which I call Deep Imaginings, and just to give the education around our hypnosis process – it’s a little bit different than the traditional. The traditional hypnosis teaches you to just reinforce not the positive but reinforce the new suggestion.
For me, who is dealing with low self-worth, my brain never believed it, it was like “Nah, I need to see what’s beneath that suggestion to even believe that that’s possible.” So, our process is all about getting to the root and looking at the root and then from there going to the reinforcement, which I tend to find to be much more effective. But even in our work we have some somatic bits. So, there can be like really feeling into your body, where does it live. And so, I’m really the person who is dealing with energetics and the mind because that’s the key to unlocking manifestation. But I personally don’t have a ton of experience in the somatic. I’ve gone, myself, to different somatic healings but I’m not trained in them. But it’s a huge piece of the puzzle. I mean, I know somatic unlocks the brain, it’s a key in there. So, I think and I tell this to people all the time too, I’m like “If you’re doing our work and learning our process and say the hypnosis isn’t working for you…I go and do EMDR every week, I do XYZ”, do the things that are really going to work, that are going to get you to that whole, authentic, worthy, unblocked place because that’s just one piece of this puzzle. Three that have to be in motion simultaneously to manifest is to unblock, which we talked about – unlocking, unblocking, reprogramming those old subconscious beliefs that are literally pushing your manifestation away; expand, that’s what’s going to create the space in your subconscious for what you want to come; and the third element is passing test. So, this is something that I never ever understood when I would do the old manifestation process which was like the think positive. Nobody ever, ever came up with this and when I say this, so many listeners are going to be like “That happens to me all the time”. So, when we start to, consciously or unconsciously, call in what we’re wanting to manifest, it’s usually greater than where we are in our self-worth at this moment because if it weren’t we would be connected with it. So, for instance, say we’re calling in a new relationship that’s very conscious or whatever aspects of it that we want and personally we haven’t been in those experiences, when we begin to unblock why we haven’t been in those experiences, what about us has attracted the experiences we’re in and unlock that in our subconscious, and then we begin to expand, finding people who are in those relationships, even if they’re what we call fragment expanders, they only have little aspects. So, say this one couple you admire, they’re most of the things you want on a list in a partner but they have terrible communication, you’re going to go find that communication expansion piece somewhere else. So, you’ve expanded and you’re opening up that space, the Universe will then begin to test you. And this always happens, without fail, and what it’s testing you on, it’s asking, literally it’s confirming – are you sure that you’re not willing to settle for what you’ve settled for in the past; are you sure, you’re concrete, that your self-worth is in exact alignment with what you’re calling in? Because the frequency, for lack of a better word of, of the thing you’re calling in is in that vibration of self-worth; you’re doing the work to align with that vibration. There’s a little language from Hicks that is easy to digest.
So, you’ll begin to get tests. So, say it’s relationship, you’ll begin to get suitors that come in that seem like kind of your list but aspects are off, then it’s going to get harder and harder once you pass. Then you say “This looks like a beautiful carrot on a string but I’m going to pass this up” and then all of a sudden you’re entire list shows up, but they are emotionally unavailable. This is a hard one especially if you’ve settled in the past because you’re like “But they have the this and that and all the things I’ve ever wanted, I’m sure they’ll come around and they’re going to want to commit at some point”, no, they’re not, that’s a whole other episode and conversation – you pass that; then it gets very subtle.
So, those are the three things that have to be in motion at all times – unblocking, expanding and passing tests, in order to connect with your manifestation. So, sometimes we’ll get people who are doing the work and they are very studious and they’re doing all the unblocking and they are like “Why am I not manifesting my person”, I’m like “Are you doing the stuff in real life that you need, are you expanding, if not, you don’t have space for your thing to come in”, sure you’re no longer talking to the Universe and saying “No, I don’t want this” through a block space, a block loop, however, and then if you’re not passing tests and you’re not doing what you need to pass the test, they’re not coming. So, all three of those are a beautiful trifecta.

[52:07] Sahara
So, when you say a passing of a test, I’m curious for something, let’s say you want a new home and the home that you want is that epic Malibu place but you’re not getting anywhere close to that, but you need to move somewhere…

[52:21] Lacy
Yes, you were in this predicament, you were finding what you wanted but you had to move.

[52:27] Sahara
Exactly! So, how do you know what aspects to potentially settle on or wait on until more time passes and then you can go for something better?

[52:38] Lacy
So, when you begin to learn this process, the cool thing is, is you’ll be able to decide what’s showing up in your life; so, what elements are missing. From that, it’s going to be the clues of where you still need work. So, for instance, let’s say a place in the Palisades is presenting that is maybe a lot smaller, it’s not the colors, so say some things are missing in it. For you, you now have the tools, because we have this thing called the Daily Practice that you can do every day to unlock, it’s the journaling exercises, it’s the hypnosis and it lets you get to the root of why; and one of them is called Tests. So, if that thing presents, you get to do the journaling around it and then the hypnosis to get to the answer “Why am I still not receiving the thing I want” and it’ll show you very clearly and then you know what to navigate from there, what work to do “Oh, it’s because I need a little bit more expansion. And I’ve seen to believe that Sarah got that house in the Palisades, these colors and everything, but I still never seem to believe that it’s possible for me to have that in Malibu”. And again, I really want to acknowledge these silly, privileged, superficial examples but I just to use things that are cerebral, that people can understand them. So, that’s the beauty of having the tools and that was something that was really missing for me in manifestation, and I think other people can relate to this. I would be sitting there deeply unconscious, when I was doing the old manifestation work, and they would say things like “Get into the vortex” and I could listen to a hundred Hicks YouTube videos and still be like “But what the fuck does a vortex feel like? What is the vortex?” I couldn’t grasp it. And so, a really important thing to me in creating any of the work we do here is that it’s step-by-step, it’s so easy, it’s so spelled out and that you have all the tools you need in order to decode exactly what’s going wrong.
So, it’s kind of hard to explain it otherwise but usually you’re always able to be like “Oh, that’s happening because…” And this is another aspect of tests, just as education, if you don’t pass a test, and that’s why saying pass or fail is tricky, but my gift is reading energetics and that’s the only way to put it into language, it’s pass a test, the only thing that happens is you receive more tests after because what you said to the Universe was like “Ugh, no, I don’t have all the self-worth, I’m going to go burn my hand on this fire a little bit”, say the emotionally unavailable person who is the whole list, you’re like “Argh, it’s too hard to resist”. And what I would tell the clients in the past when I still worked with people before we had the Coaches, I was like “Run into the fire! I want you to get burned so bad and you get your heart broken that you never touch that fire again” because you become amazing at passing tests, your threshold of trust becomes tremendous. And even with this year, everything that’s gone on with people, I did a very small podcast episode on the energetics of this pandemic and I was like “This is going to be, in a way, and I say this very liberally because I know a lot of people are affected and have been affected and lost loved ones, but personally, the greatest gift that’s going to come from this, is it’s going to knock you off anything in your life that’s not in alignment, may it be a job, may it be relationship, home, whatever, all the places you’ve been doing exterior validation or you’ve been stagnant or stuck or whatever, you couldn’t get out of it, the Universe is showing up for you collectively this year to be like “Nah, we’re going to knock you into your path of alignment.” And when we go through those rock bottoms or run into the fires, what we get from that is extreme durability, a way higher threshold for trust. So, meaning, when the next test comes along or say we do something like jump off of a cliff of fear, we leave the job we’ve been hating forever after having the tools of how to create the next job experience, but we get that courage to leave. And there’s a place of the formula in this manifestation called The Magic Dark where it’s like “We’ll get our last big final test, it’s where the water recedes; the dark is before the dawn; it’s where your savings account runs out; it’s about to and you’ve said no to all of these test job offers to be like “Are you really sure you’re not going to settle?” And bam, your manifestation comes through!
So, that’s where running into the fire or going through these rock bottoms, they give us that threshold to know how to deal, in our nervous system, in our body, with how to say no to things in the future that are really shiny or really scary. So that’s the beauty of these experiences.

[57:28] Sahara
I love that so much and I think everyone can relate to that feeling of, maybe you’re about to give up in that moment and you don’t, and that’s where the big shift happens in relationships, careers, all of it. So, these are all so helpful and I know you have so much into be magnetic.

[57:44] Lacy
Too much to talk about!

[57:46] Sahara
So many good things. So, last question, we’re moving now into 2021, people have had a lot of things that were not in alignment with them, taken away, disrupted, moves, break-ups, all of the things, how can we set up this ear so we don’t have to learn through all of the pain and all the breakdowns? How can we reprogram our brains so we can learn from the path of joy and ease and harmony? Is this even possible?

[58:14] Lacy
A hundred percent! And the coolest thing is, and I want to say this so that people can take a deep breath, even if you haven’t any of the work I’m talking about but you’ve been a human being, breathing this year, you’ve already done some of the work because you’ve already had to deal with some sort of a loss in some capacity; or you’ve had to address your fear of control in some capacity; you’ve had to feel negative feelings in some capacity. So, this year, I think, is a tremendous year to shake us out of spiritual bypass; to shake us out of the zombie-like lives that we can live, just out of safety or out of societal programming that tells us to be whatever. So, the coolest thing is, is you’ve actually had a year that’s forcing you into your authentic self. So that, already, is a quarter of the work, how exciting! It’s been shitty, and some people, I just want to make this comment, some people are thriving this year because they have been doing the work and they are flowing and they are in their next level, but, majority of us are in some form of what I call rock bottom energetically or a rut, you know, and a rock bottom, the difference is, is that’s when the Universe comes and it earthquakes us and it takes away the job or the relationship or the thing and we’re just stuck there, and we have a whole course on how to navigate a rock bottom, and it’s so good because it really works, and then there’s the rut. And the person in the rut is the person who is not on their aligned authentic path and they just keep on walking further and further and further away from it and it feels like they’re spinning their wheel. So, most people have experienced that this year. And the beauty of half the battle of both of those is getting off of them and that’s what this year has forced in you. So, the beautiful thing – when does this go live-ish, Sahara?

[1:00:02] Sahara
January.

[1:00:04] Lacy
In January? So, what we will have done, it will still be available in the Pathway, which is our membership program, to do all of these workshops, it has all the deal in it, is what we call the Magnetism Challenge. And what the Magnetism Challenge did is it walked you through how to manifest, the daily reprogramming exercise and three weeks of unblocking. And those three weeks of unblocking, doing our hypnosis work, it also addresses fighting expanders, passing tests. And so, we created this entire challenge that you can do anytime; we created it in order for you to do all of the work necessary to connect with your manifestation in 2021. Typically, we always do a reprogramming challenge at the end of the year, but this one is no. We’re casting our list together, we’re finding our authentic code, we’re finding our expanders, literally everything you need to do in order to manifest. And so, no matter where you are right now, whatever experience you’re having, and this is another thing I would say at the top of the year was, you can manifest always – during a pandemic. So, we had this while hash tag where it was manifesting in the pandemic, so many people had all these new jobs, da-da-da, because we wanted to expand. You never have to live in that space of fear, it’s possible. So, you can always manifest, 2021 can be miraculous, and if you’re looking for tools of how to harness that, that challenge is fantastic for this, it’s fantastic, the perfect little road map.

[1:01:31] Sahara
I love that! And it’s so beautiful when all spiritual truths are so similar. Like in the Vedas, we would call those different levels of rock bottom, the levels of Karma, it’s like, do you listen to the tap, do you listen to the smack in the face or does it need to be a collision and then you make the U-turn to go back into Kriya, to move towards your Dharma. So, it’s so beautiful to see that they all are just like the same thing and that’s how we know it to be true and can trust it and can do the work and not second guess it or be skeptical because you know what you’ve been doing. The results of that already, so you might as well try something new.

[1:02:08] Lacy
That’s how I felt, that was my exact initiation into some deeper work, I was like “Cool, so I’m complacent and nothing’s changing, might as well try something new”. Exactly!

[1:02:19] Sahara
Now I’m thinking what are my four authentic signature things?

[1:02:22] Lacy
Oooh I know, we have to see this.

[1:02:23] Sahara
It feels a little similar to the desire map words.

[1:02:28] Lacy
Oh, I don’t know that.

[1:02:29] Sahara
It’s the Daniela Port, she has these desire words, like What Are Your Core Desired Feelings, I think that’s what it’s called but I feel like mine are creativity, expression, Shakti, which is different than feminine, and then expansion, did I say that one?

[1:02:48] Lacy
I don’t think so…creativity…

[1:02:49] Sahara
Expansion, just continuing to innovate and move forward. So, I feel like those. Are these your four that stay with you your whole life or do you change them up?

[1:02:58] Lacy
No. And the coolest thing is, the more that you upgrade, up-level, the more magnetic you become, they tend to change because you’re getting closer and closer to your authentic self.

[1:03:06] Sahara
Love that! So good, yay! Well, this was so juicy, so jam-packed, I’m feeling so inspired! So where can listeners connect with you further, join the Pathway and learn from you more?

[1:03:18] Lacy
Yes, so a really beautiful entry point is The Expanded Podcast, our Podcast; a beautiful episode to start out with and that is called Manifestation 101, you can find it on Spotify, iTunes, all the good places.
Secondly, if you just want to get a taste of this work, you’re like “Oh, my interest has peaked, I just want to have an experience”, on our site tobemagnetic.com try the free Clarity exercise, you’ll find that in the little hamburger on the side, and just try, see “What comes up for me? Do I connect with this?” If it does at that point, I always encourage people to click on our homepage, there’s something called The Motivation, it’s our testimony library, it’s thousands of testimonies based on whatever you’re calling in, money, love, whatever. And just by reading those testimonies – so, you’ve done the clarity exercise which helps you tap into a little bit of what you want to call in and your authentic self (totally free), you go and look at the motivation, the testimonial library (totally free) and you start reading these other members’ experiences. Guess what you’re doing if you pick on exactly what you’re manifesting? You’re beginning to expand. You’re literally reading their process and going “Oh my gosh, they manifested this apartment there what I’m calling in Green Point and Brooklyn, for this price I can too.” So that’s already beginning the work and if at that point you’re like “Cool, I’m ready to really dive in, connect with my manifestation in 2021”, what we have is what you mentioned and I mentioned, it’s called the Pathway, and it’s our all-access member workshop that basically has every single workshop that we’ve ever created (which is 11); we also have a monthly class which is called Supported, so it’s where you guys go ahead and submit your questions and then we answer the collective questions like the ones that are the most recurring every month; and then it also has access to our community group which has over 10.000 other members in there that you can be like “This test came up, oh my God, this is what happened, what do I do?”
And we also have, which is really exciting, that we launched this year and so supportive for people when they’re first starting out, especially, we have Coaches, we have four TBM Coaches, and that means if you get stuck, if you can’t find the right practice for you, whatever, if you can’t find that right block and you’re having trouble, you can work with either the four Coaches or what we also just launched because we’re always trying to be like “How do we just give people manifesting more and more”, this QA service. So, for $25 you’re doing this work, you literally can go ahead and do this, you fill out this whole form and then a Coach will answer your question and they’ll send you back, basically in a voice note, so it’s actually really clear, what homework you should be doing within the Pathway, the energetics of the question and what the root is of what’s going on.
So, there’s no question, first and foremost in this, we’re thought of everything and that’s how I would navigate if I was brand new.

[1:06:10] Sahara
I love it so much! Well thank you for all of your passion and all of the systems that you’ve come up with. It was so inspiring to see how you’ve really taken this thing and systematized it and for making it really accessible for so many people, we’re so grateful to have you here.

[1:06:26] Lacy
Thank you so much! And also, if you haven’t listened to Sahara on The Expanded Podcast, you have to go listen to your episode, it was great.

[1:06:33] Sahara
Yes, yes! Thank you so much!

[1:06:35] Lacy
You’re welcome! Thank you, bye everyone!

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I hope you love that conversation as much as I did, I’m so excited to see that spirituality is becoming more mainstream and we are merging it with science. Over the next couple years, I really believe that we’re no longer going to see them as separate categories but really see them as hand-in-hand sciences as they always have been.
So, I’m very grateful for Lacy for doing the work and to all of you for listening to this Episode, for sharing it and for being the change.

[1:07:05]
Just a reminder, if you’d like to join me in my 21-Day Dharma Discovery Journey, that link is in my show notes, I am so excited to support you in living your soul’s purpose. And I have a really special gift for you too.

[1:07:18]
If you loved this Episode, I would love to send you a free gift which is the first half of my unreleased book “Eat Right for Your Mind-Body Type“. This is a different book than “Eat Feel Fresh“. My first book ever which is not released anywhere, and I am gifting it exclusively to those who leave a review of my Podcast in the iTunes store. So all you’ve got to do is head over to iTunes where you’re maybe listening to this podcast and leave a review, take a screenshot that you’ve left it and email it over to me at [email protected] and I will send you back the first half of my unreleased book “Eat Right for Your Mind-Body Type“, which goes all into Ayurveda, Doshas, Plant-Based Nutrition, Body Types – all of the things in a really fun and engaging way. So this is my gift to you for free for supporting the Podcast. Every single review I personally read. It really helps the Podcast be listened to by more people so we can raise the vibration of the planet together, and I am soul grateful to have you on this journey.

Thank you so much for listening and I’ll see you on the next Episode. Namaste.

Episode 359: The Science of Manifestation with Lacy Phillips
By Sahara Rose